Truck set-ups

[Xen]

Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).

[backinaction]

Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up

[GardenSkater77]

Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I don’t see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? I’m currently using 90a barrel Indys. I’m concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

I’m riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4” risers but I can’t imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe I’m beginning to loose my balance but I’m not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?

[Mbrimson88]

Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I don’t see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? I’m currently using 90a barrel Indys. I’m concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

I’m riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4” risers but I can’t imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe I’m beginning to loose my balance but I’m not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?

Has this setup been ok for however long and only now having this or is this a newly setup board?


Push the board out in front and see if it turns on its own.

Turn the board around and push the same way but with the tail at the front, seeing if something is different then too.

Pivot cups splitting can cause weird turns to one side, as can trucks that are mounted crooked or even boards that are not drilled straight, or even bushings that have split or similar things, to which I have often checked or rotated bushings, eg draw a dot or line on them where they are in place, then loosen off the truck and turn the bushing round so the line is now facing the other way and see if that changes anything.

[FatGuy92]

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Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

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when I skated thunder 149 hollows I felt I could get away with skating quite long wheelbases due to them beeing so light

That’s what I’m running now and I agree. If you have a wider stance, it might feel more comfortable with a longer wheelbase.

[rocklobster]

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Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

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Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).

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Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

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Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up

Truth, though I am having a decent time on Venture 5.2L V-Hollows on a 14.25 WB. Only problem it the deck is an 8.0.

Length factors in too, short boards like Baker 8.0 x 31.5 x 14.25 would be unrideable (to me) on Ventures, tail would feel microscopic.

[tzhangdox]

I've skated 14.5 on ventures and it was honestly fine. Though I do prefer 14.25 or 14.38 overall by a lil bit. I wouldn't trip too much about the wheelbase as long as its not wayyyy out of your comfort zone.

[LebowskisRug]

To echo the above poster’s point I’m a giant baby and perfectionist about my shit bag of tricks and recently skated Venture on 14.38 when they were on 14.25 before. They felt solid other than back tails. I put on my 149 forged hollows, which measure +3.19 instead of +3.25 and there might be a marginal difference in back tails but it’s likely mental.

[anon]

why do bushings harden as they break in?

[GardenSkater77]

why do bushings harden as they break in?

Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

[listentoaheartbeat]

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why do bushings harden as they break in?

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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?

[user18081971]

alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

[Firebert]

alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

Have both - Indy Titanium imo

[manysnakes]

alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.

[user18081971]

Thanks guys. I’d have put theeve in there too, but to find a v3 titanium truck right now is looking pretty difficult.

[rocklobster]

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alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

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Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.

Indys by design are very heavy, and going lighter definitely changes up that core aspect of an Indy truck. I would think of it as an enhanced (lighter) Indy. A friend of mine recently went from Standard to Hollow Forged and his feedback was he's less tired popping his tricks and his flips have gotten significantly higher. But landings can be a more squirrel-y because of the lower baseplate.

[LebowskisRug]

I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

[Mbrimson88]

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why do bushings harden as they break in?

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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

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So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?

I feel like many used bushings that have not been used for a while end up feeling a lot harder than others of the same age if still new in package.

This is most likely the case for you as well.  Some older well used bushings of various brands have almost seemed too hard now, but as said, urethane ages and hardens up some, so bushings just like wheels harden up and yellow under various lighting, even if still in the package, the only difference being bushings are usually various colours, so you don't notice anywhere near as much as white / natural coloured wheels.

I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

The axle metal is a bit more blue tinged if titanium, but the best way to check is with a magnet, as titanium is not magnetic, but steel is.

That worked on a set of titanium Indy and Thunder I had floating round.

* just the axles, not the hanger, that is.

[rocklobster]

I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

[rosemaryBB]

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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

Are people doing the reverse of/off thing now too?

[TwisT]

Reddit hack for tighter trucks without ruing the bushings.

[listentoaheartbeat]

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I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

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I feel the same way, would only buy them on a heavy discount or if they were part of a setup someone was getting rid off for cheap. They are great, but not life changing, and I couldn't convince myself to spend $80 on trucks.

Maybe it’s because I ride big boards and have this mission to relearn flip tricks as an aging skateboarder, but I love my first set of Titaniums. Combined with small wheels it makes my 9.25 Heroin pop feel much more responsive and I get less sore when trying shit over and over. Plus, hitting my shins is a little less painful.

[beandemon]

I’ve ground to the axle in my heelside groove on my rear truck and am flush with the kingpin straight across the front. About 80% of my frontside slappy attempts are sticking on the front kingpin, and I’m going nuts between thinking I should power through, swap front and back, or convert to inverted kingpins.  I’ve got some krux downlow kingpins on hand, but don’t wanna eff up the feel.

Decided to go with the inverted kingpins, but discovered the back axles are like unto a banana.  Went with a hanger swap, keeping everything else the same.

[DaleSr]

I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin 

[PuffinMuffin]

I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin

Sorry friend, but a brass nipple won't jam up the rotation of the nut in a circular recessed baseplate. The nut will just spin, it needs a corner to grab on to. I think you can only use epoxy on them.

[DaleSr]

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I jammed some pliers in there to do the janky way to tighten kreper kingpins. I should have gone the brass nipple route @PuffinMuffin

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Sorry friend, but a brass nipple won't jam up the rotation of the nut in a circular recessed baseplate. The nut will just spin, it needs a corner to grab on to. I think you can only use epoxy on them.

Gotcha, well my pliers method sort of got the job done

[DirtCat]

I've been skating a lot recently (nothing heavy, but lots of dicking around in parking lots and garages) on loose trucks and I gotta say loose trucks feel great.  I've ditched the Bones bushings and I'm back on the stock Indy bushings on both set ups and I'm really liking it.  Fakie down transition feels slightly sketchy again, but I'll get over that.

Plus no more bushing squeak.

[Xen]

https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..

[Mbrimson88]

https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..

Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)

[DaleSr]

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https://www.qwiktruks.com/

In case you need big ass risers and swap trucks a lot..

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Wow!

Just when I thought I had seen it all and would never see anything else, something like this comes along.

That's a NO from me, but don't let me stop you...


(Thanks for the laugh too)

That team page is great