Truck set-ups

[unregisteredhypercam2]

I haven't been experimenting very much but I luckily created what I wanted to without going too crazy.
I am running aftermarket independent 88 red top bushing, stock bottom bushing with no bottom washer. Originally this setup was good but the top washer would rattle and make a crazy noise. i switched the pivot cup to a japanese aftermarket brand and just loosened the kingpin nut a bit and now it is perfect and has no washer rattle because i assume the pivot cup changed the geometry slightly.

[backinaction]

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Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap

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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 



I would be more curious how many "Digital angle gauge" units sell on the back of this video alone.

Damn sure I want one now after watching this!!!!

[PuffinMuffin]

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Somebody has to stop him from infecting more people with the madness. I rode the same trucks for years before I found this guy and slap

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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 



I would be more curious how many "Digital angle gauge" units sell on the back of this video alone.

Damn sure I want one now after watching this!!!!

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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.

[Mbrimson88]

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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 

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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.

I kinda like the fact that I don't have to use my phone for a million things, but I get that just having a phone does mean you don't have to carry so many things, even if it is a bit inaccurate as noted.

I guess I like having things like that around, either in the workshop or at home in the skate shed.

Even just the name "Digital angle gauge" just sounds kinda cool.


Ok, I will stop now.

[Plan9Customs]

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I have an app on my iPhone that does it.  I have used it to measure nose/tail angles of boards as well as to measure what angle the board is when the tail hits the ground on various setups. 

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Sorry to be a bummer but, the iPhone's angle measurement tool takes consistent measures, but they're unfortunately they're not accurate. There's no zeroing feature or way to calibrate your phone. I know this from working at a bike shop and using accurate digital levels to set saddle tilt/hood tilt. Many customers used their phones and came in with wacky angles.

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I kinda like the fact that I don't have to use my phone for a million things, but I get that just having a phone does mean you don't have to carry so many things, even if it is a bit inaccurate as noted.

I guess I like having things like that around, either in the workshop or at home in the skate shed.

Even just the name "Digital angle gauge" just sounds kinda cool.


Ok, I will stop now.

Wait.


So they’re cool now? They work great for fab work also. And smaller than an analog angle locator.

[CBP]

Sorry to beat a dead horse but anybody know how not to blow fresh Indy bushings up in the first session?

A lot of people say that the new stock bushings hold together better and are higher quality but these things still fall apart super quickly for me.

I usually break in new trucks on a curb but is this not the way to go?

Let me know, thanks guys.

[LebowskisRug]

How tight are your trucks and how heavy are you?

[CBP]

How tight are your trucks and how heavy are you?

Like to leave my trucks stock, I weigh 175

[LebowskisRug]

Not much heavier than me and I do the same and have never blown a stage 11 bushing aftermarket or stock.

[Mbrimson88]

Sorry to beat a dead horse but anybody know how not to blow fresh Indy bushings up in the first session?

A lot of people say that the new stock bushings hold together better and are higher quality but these things still fall apart super quickly for me.

I usually break in new trucks on a curb but is this not the way to go?

Let me know, thanks guys.

A couple of guys I know always blow out any new bushings at any time, mainly cause they don't give them time to wear in and seem to go harder in their "chill skate sessions" than I do on my best day.

That said, I just set up a few new boards not too long ago and most were more just a carpark or skatepark carve session or two more than anything, not really going hard or trying anything much, but just rolling around and leaning left and right a whole lot and they are all worn in perfectly now, from stock tightness to start, to just one turn on the front and two on the back after the first session.

I did notice that one of the boards that the others skated for a bit have more bushing bite marks from the washers and one bushing has actually crushed a lot more than when I am on them, which was interesting to see, but they still work fine for me.

Just goes to show that even a couple of solid tricks cause a bit more wear in the first session or two than just doing laps of a carpark or skatepark.

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I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

[logjammin]

That is so sick, looks like you did a really clean job on those man. Fuck, makes me wanna send you some 215's and pay you to hack them down to 159's

[FrozenIndustries]

I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

Those look amazing. I've seen people do that before but never so nice looking. You killed it.

[switchfrontshuv]

I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

So how much do I have to pay for you to do that but down to 8.5? haha

Wonderful work, looks like art

[manysnakes]

I cut some new 215's into 169's recently. Makes my TG reissue setup look more legit than the Stage 10 169's I had on it for years. Stoked on how well they turned out!

Nicely done. I've seen this done a few times, but it's always complete hack jobs involving pipecutters or some other janky tool. I assume you machined these?

[braksabbath]

Was the spline in the same spot on both axles? I want to cut some old trucks down to rollerskate size

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Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

[PuffinMuffin]

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

Titanium is stronger and lighter than chromoly steel (which is used in the standard Indys). I'd reach out to NHS, this is probably a defect, and they should cover it.

[manysnakes]

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

For complicated reasons, Titanium, while by and large stronger and more flexible & with a higher yield strength than chromoly, is also more prone to failures from things like  stress risers (which looks like what happened here, as you can see the darker oxidized spot originating from where the axle was splined in the factory). I still completely trust my titanium trucks, and I've seen plenty of chromoly axles crack and fail.

Definitely contact Indy. They only have a 180 day warranty now, but I think a polite and professional email can probably get results.

[logjammin]

Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS. 

[manysnakes]

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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.

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If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future. 

No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.

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Thx guys. Gonna contact nhs. I'm in germany so I don't know if it would make much sense to send it to the us..
Maybe my shop can help more. Will see.

[MysticalTypeExperience]

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

Damn, that's sketchy. I just got two new pair of forged hollows in 149 and 169. I really like them, but I did notice some possible QC concerns. 3 of the 4 axles look to be rusted internally, and one of them shows rust on the outside where it's uncovered behind the kingpin. I don't think it's a big deal, I hope not at least.

[PuffinMuffin]

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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.

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If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future. 

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No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.

Thanks, @manysnakes you know your shit! I lived through the bottom bracket wars so I'm always second-guessing what I know to be true. 

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Titanium axles technically aren't stronger than solid chromoly's. But people seem to have more problems with hollow or solid regs vs the titanium's, probably just a defect contact NHS.

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If the axle actually is Ti, and it's free of risers and voids, it should theoretically be stronger than most all chromoly alloys unless they're annealed, no?

Honestly asking, I'm totally cool with being wrong. Thunder forged Hollows are only 8 grams heavier than the Thunder Ti's. I'd be saving myself a lot of money in the future. 

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No, you’re right. There are a thousand mitigating factors (mainly in the form of various alloys), but pound for pound titanium is stronger, more flexible and lighter than the applicable chromoly steel.

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Thanks, @manysnakes you know your shit! I lived through the bottom bracket wars so I'm always second-guessing what I know to be true. 

Are they over? Did English just win again?

[Plan9Customs]

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So how much do I have to pay for you to do that but down to 8.5? haha

Wonderful work, looks like art

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That is so sick, looks like you did a really clean job on those man. Fuck, makes me wanna send you some 215's and pay you to hack them down to 159's

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Ha thanks guys! You know I would be willing to do get some and cut them down for some Pals. I'm not sure if 8.5's or 8.75's would be as easy as the 169's... there is that ridge that I stamped 169 on which would get in the way of the wheel if they were cut down to the 8.5 size at least. I'd probably have to machine away a little of that ridge to avoid that rubbing.

Not sure exactly how much I'd have to charge. But my local does have some 215's so I could for sure do it.

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Nicely done. I've seen this done a few times, but it's always complete hack jobs involving pipecutters or some other janky tool. I assume you machined these?

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Yeah! I don't have a metal lathe, but I do have a realllly solid 1950's era drill press. I chucked the axle up, run the drill pressed, and used a metal saw and saw-stopper I rigged up to cut through the aluminum without cutting into the axle.

Then after popping the excess aluminum ring off, I had to carefully file the splined area down to the same exact thickness as the normal axle. I do this while it is spinning on the drill-press to make sure the new area is perfectly circular, with a really mellow set of files. I take my time doing this, constantly checking with calipers.

Finally, I add extra threads to the axle with a tap and die kit, chop off the excess axle, and finish that cut edge to a clean slight taper just like factory truck ends are.

Those turned out great. I was going to do the same to shave 1/4” off one but when I chucked it up and hit the switch there was about 1/2” or more of wobble when it spun. Any wobble when you did yours?

[Plan9Customs]

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Those turned out great. I was going to do the same to shave 1/4” off one but when I chucked it up and hit the switch there was about 1/2” or more of wobble when it spun. Any wobble when you did yours?

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There was some slight wobble on the far end (most axles aren't 100% straight). But there was absolutely no wobble or chatter at the chuck (god bless mid-century USA-made drill presses), so I did all my cutting and surfacing at the top by the chuck

Guess it was just that one then. Tried it the same way(chucked in and cut with a hack saw set on the table, then finished with a file). Worked good on an 80s hanger but there was only a small amount of play unlike the new 215. Thanks.

[Mbrimson88]

Today i broke my first axle ever.. it's a pretty new Indy 144 Ti..i'm 78 Kg, broke them on a flatground Kickflip..
and now, i don't trust them anymore. Thinking about changing both hangers to hollow ones i have laying arround.
Are titanium axles more sensitive than regular ones ? Anyone has experienced something simular ?
I'm so pissed right now.

Never seen exactly that before, but I have definitely seen all sorts of breaks and faults.

The best thing to do is take them back to the shop you bought them from, or at least contact them, if it was sent to you, as that is supposed to be the first point of call.

The hanger in the pic looks fairly new, which is always good - when they are down to the axle or similar, it is hard to justify any kind of warranty.

That sort of issue is definitely not "user error" but a manufacturing fault, so should be 100% covered under warranty.

[LebowskisRug]

I circumcised my top Indy aftermarket 90A bushings and cracked the front one. I got some Indy aftermarket 92A bushings thinking maybe I won’t smash em as fast. My trucks are mayyyybe a half turn past flush and I’m only 165lbs.

Anyways, I marked the nuts and put em in and they actually feel looser than the 90A. I had a set of the red 88 around so I did the same and those feel harder. Super weird. Also noticed that the aftermarket bottom washer is too small and the bushing bulges over.

[Mbrimson88]

I circumcised my top Indy aftermarket 90A bushings and cracked the front one. I got some Indy aftermarket 92A bushings thinking maybe I won’t smash em as fast. My trucks are mayyyybe a half turn past flush and I’m only 165lbs.

Anyways, I marked the nuts and put em in and they actually feel looser than the 90A. I had a set of the red 88 around so I did the same and those feel harder. Super weird. Also noticed that the aftermarket bottom washer is too small and the bushing bulges over.

There have definitely been some common inconsistencies with those bushings, many people noted the red 88s definitely feel harder than the orange 90s or the blue 92s, also my blue 92s squashed significantly more than the other ones (with my usual comfortable wear in period).

Never had any split on me though and they have lasted for ever on all my boards.

I know others have had mixed reactions though.