Truck set-ups

[skunty]

I ended up getting AF1s, plus some new 53 conical fulls and a fresh baker 8.47 with 14.25wb, and a set of riser pads to throw under my modified Indys, so now I've got 2 set ups. The modded Indy + riser + old wheels (approx 50mm) is almost identical deck height to my AF1s with brand new 53s. I've only been able to ride them around a few feet in my house so I can't give a full report. The modded Indy is definitely more responsive than the stock AF1s, but I'm not gonna mod the AF1s because I think the added stability will probably help once I get used to it. I think I'll swap the wheels on the modded Indy board for some big honkers and make it my cruiser/transition board.

[LebowskisRug]

Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

[skunty]

I ended up getting AF1s, plus some new 53 conical fulls and a fresh baker 8.47 with 14.25wb, and a set of riser pads to throw under my modified Indys, so now I've got 2 set ups. The modded Indy + riser + old wheels (approx 50mm) is almost identical deck height to my AF1s with brand new 53s. I've only been able to ride them around a few feet in my house so I can't give a full report. The modded Indy is definitely more responsive than the stock AF1s, but I'm not gonna mod the AF1s because I think the added stability will probably help once I get used to it. I think I'll swap the wheels on the modded Indy board for some big honkers and make it my cruiser/transition board.

Update: new set up is awesome for flip tricks, landed the first fs flip of my life in my basement last night.

[Chavo]

Anyone have experience with Minilogo bushings?

It's a little disconcerting how small the stock Indy top bushing is. It seems like the top washer will hit the yoke and I want to replace it with something similar yet taller.

[LebowskisRug]

Of Thunder, Indy, and Venture the Indy washer hits the yoke the least.

[logjammin]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

I can't speak to the bushing crumble or washer issue because I don't skate any truck stock without messing with bushings/washers to some degree. I usually don't even run a top washer and if I do it's the flat Bones washer. Not hard to mess with those things and that's why Ventures work great for me because that's the extent I have to go to besides maybe a little wax in the pivot cups. The clearance and overall design of the truck is unique and makes sense, a very non-complicated truck.

[Xen]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.

Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?

[Bunk Moreland]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.

[LebowskisRug]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

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Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.

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Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?

I did, which is why if you read the last fucking sentence “…the least truck you need to mess around with” it’s a direct contradiction to what you bolded. Especially considering most people don’t replace washers and bushings on their trucks on other brands to avoid the top washer binding with the hanger and shredding the bushing. That and Venture wearing out much faster to me shows that the post I quoted is incorrect as both of those things would represent a design or construction flaw.

[LebowskisRug]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.

I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.

[Xen]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

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Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny.

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Dude, do you EVER read posts, thoroughly, to comprehend the message before you post?

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I did, which is why if you read the last fucking sentence “…the least truck you need to mess around with” it’s a direct contradiction to what you bolded. Especially considering most people don’t replace washers and bushings on their trucks on other brands to avoid the top washer binding with the hanger and shredding the bushing. That and Venture wearing out much faster to me shows that the post I quoted is incorrect as both of those things would represent a design or construction flaw.

You're not getting it. He's clearly talking about ALL THE OTHER MERITS OF THE TRUCK, over other trucks, and once you dial in the bushings to YOUR PERSONAL PREFERENCE it does 'everything' great.

[LebowskisRug]

I don’t read it that way, but it’s written quite poorly and I still think his point is contradictory as written. I guess we can debate grammar, but it’s fairly obvious how the sentence structure and wording could be read both ways.

[Mr. Stinky]

Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.

[tzhangdox]

The original post was a little confusing to me too... can def be read both ways.

I do stock bushings in ventures with a flat bones top washer but have to replace the top bushing pretty frequently (or use a blue indy top bushing).

Flat top washer makes it feel a bit better. Stock ventures are fine too, but the weak bushings are definitely a problem for a lot of people. Sucks because around about when my ventures with stock bushings feel their absolute best in terms of turn and responsiveness, I know that I'm going to have to swap the bushings out soon.

Kinda unrelated, but if having to replace the hanger/baseplate is also considered "messing with the truck", then Ventures also fall a little short because the the hanger grinds down to the axle and the baseplate wears to the pivot cup much quicker than on say an Indy or Thunder and you definitely have to replace them more frequently. Axles can bend a little too, unsure how that specifically compares to other trucks but definitely happens on ventures.

[LebowskisRug]

Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.

I don’t care about swapping bushings at all, I just thought the original thing I responded to sounded a little weird so I pointed that out. Do whatever makes your trucks feel solid.

The way I judge design and construction might be different than others but I’d say if something has to be modified in the majority of cases and wears out prematurely then it’s a flaw to be noted, but zero trucks are perfect hence the whole notion of madness. There’s a lot I like about each truck minus Ace so far and I actually love the Venture stock bushings and find them to be a solid truck, just not necessarily my choice.

[Mr. Stinky]

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Just thought I’d pop in and say that Venture 5.8s with Bones mediums and the little top washer have been so great for me recently that I will most likely just keep skating them with blue eagles for the foreseeable future. Like, madness receding type thing.

Anyway, bushings are easy to figure out if you don’t like how they feel. Everyone knows you might like a truck but not like the bushings, which is why they sell different bushings. Shout out to LebowskisRug for being an old fashioned message board crank about this very uncontroversial point.

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I don’t care about swapping bushings at all, I just thought the original thing I responded to sounded a little weird so I pointed that out. Do whatever makes your trucks feel solid.

The way I judge design and construction might be different than others but I’d say if something has to be modified in the majority of cases and wears out prematurely then it’s a flaw to be noted, but zero trucks are perfect hence the whole notion of madness. There’s a lot I like about each truck minus Ace so far and I actually love the Venture stock bushings and find them to be a solid truck, just not necessarily my choice.

You’re a good sport, I was just giving you a hard time. Ventures definitely go quicker on curbs than most, but like I say, they work great for my skating and feel very nice.

[j....soy.....]

I find thunders to be way worse in that there is less meat on them, plus they seem softer/grind better.  With the better clearance, Ventures will last me longer.  Indy’s on the other hand would last longer. 

[Justrollingthru]

Venture V-lights 5.6 (hollow kingpin, forged baseplates)

•Independent 94a conical feet side

•Ace Af1 pivot cups

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Just need to get a flat washer that actually fits to replace the street side rolled washer and it's good to go. Haven't skated yet but I'm stoked so far.

Excuse the picture quality I still have barely a clue of what I'm doing with pictures here.

[LebowskisRug]

Why didn’t you ride em stock first?

[Justrollingthru]

I've only ever ridden stock trucks. This is the first board I've had in a long time. I'm getting back into it. I'm just making it special ya know?

I have all of bushings and pivot cups still. If I need them, they'll be there.

I wanna be that guy that with the nicest setup in the park that has no idea what he's doing haha

[Sativa Lung]

Venture V-lights 5.6 (hollow kingpin, forged baseplates)

•Independent 94a conical feet side

•Ace Af1 pivot cups

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Just need to get a flat washer that actually fits to replace the street side rolled washer and it's good to go. Haven't skated yet but I'm stoked so far.

Excuse the picture quality I still have barely a clue of what I'm doing with pictures here.

A man after my own heart. This is very close to what I skated  the majority of last year on, except indy 92 conicals (blue) and riptide cups. They're my favorite all-around truck and if I ever do stick with one it'll probably be these. They're so much lighter than most people realize too... Like 330g out of the box. I never did flat washers, mostly because even switching from stock bushings to conicals was a big enough change for me. I love the stability they have and don't want to get away from that too much.

Edit: With those OG classic F4s monster truck tires your shits gonna feel like a limo in the best way. Just point it where you wanna go and hang on. You'll just plow through shit that used to knock you off your board. Perfect for hill bombs. If you like that wheel shape but not the formula NFG/loophole have a 95a v-cut that's similar shape but a little better suited to crust.

[Sativa Lung]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.

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I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.

I have 6 pairs of ventures and none of them have a shredded top bushing. Your ranting is literally the first time I've even heard anyone complain about it. Do you see it happen with any other major truck brands like indy, thunder, or ace?

In my experience people usually swap venture bushings because they're quite a bit harder (94a) than stock bushings from other major retailers which are almost always 90a. Hence them being "stiff feeling" and the infinite "ventures don't turn because they don't flop over like my indys" threads here.

[munchbox]

venture stock bushings are 90a
agree with everything else though

[LebowskisRug]

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Venture Hi's are the answer for anyone with gear madness that hates the average kingpin clearance of most trucks. The yoke also sits tucked behind the baseplate which no other truck design has. Dial in the bushings and pair them with a shorter wheelbase board and they're definitely plenty turny. I've still gone back to Ace and even vintage Indy's with little to no kingpin clearance but at the end of the day Ventures are like the least truck you need to mess around with to check all the boxes in terms of function, design, and durability.

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Then why do 95% of people on here replace the top washer and fuck with the bushings? Don’t get me wrong I think Ventures turn and do everything fine, but they do crumble top bushings faster with the stock washer due to how it digs into the bushings and hanger.

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Because those people are not indicative of venture riders as a whole. They’re freaks that blame their equipment for their lack of skill.

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I know some pretty good skaters that rock Ventures and can’t think of one that has the stock washers and bushings in, mostly because the top ones often shred.

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I have 6 pairs of ventures and none of them have a shredded top bushing. Your ranting is literally the first time I've even heard anyone complain about it. Do you see it happen with any other major truck brands like indy, thunder, or ace?

In my experience people usually swap venture bushings because they're quite a bit harder (94a) than stock bushings from other major retailers which are almost always 90a. Hence them being "stiff feeling" and the infinite "ventures don't turn because they don't flop over like my indys" threads here.

Hey sorry you perceive it as ranting. I’ll honestly bring up the worst thing about any truck as they all have flaws.

The only time I have seen the bushings crumble on another brand of trucks is a friend’s AF1’s. I did think it was happening on my Indy’s, but when I removed the washer it looks as if the bushing is still whole it just shaved a bit off because the aftermarket replacement washers are smaller. I was using Indy aftermarket bushings in the past as they seemed to break in better but the new stocks are great.

On Venture it seems fairly common because the washer hits the hanger and puts a lot of stress on the top bushing. You can see the washer marks if people keep the stock washer. I have gotten the same marks on Thunders but never had the bushings split or anything although I seem to be the rare person that really likes Thunder bushings. I think Venture stock bushings are actually great. I would gladly rock them purple ones in Indys and make peoples heads explode.

I still think Ventures are solid trucks. I really like a lot of things about them personally minus the pop feel on the size board I currently ride.

[j....soy.....]

You may just be a shredder……

[tzhangdox]

If I skate stock venture bushings with a bones flat top washer I have to replace the top bushings about every two months, doesn't happen with any other truck/bushing. I know a few others that run into this problem too albeit not as badly as me. Its definitely a thing.

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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

[switchfrontshuv]

I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

I’m sure my little ramble wasn’t helpful: I was trying to say that the stock set up pinches well/turns well enough, and that the bushing last the longest.
Bones bushing do for ventures pretty well, imo. I prefer the hard bushings, loosened up.

[switchfrontshuv]

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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

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I’m sure my little ramble wasn’t helpful: I was trying to say that the stock set up pinches well/turns well enough, and that the bushing last the longest.
Bones bushing do for ventures pretty well, imo. I prefer the hard bushings, loosened up.

oh no! I meant to support your post. I definitely think that stock setups are proper for good temps, but in some situations shit works really bad; Im in Canada so of course I have cold problems haha but in spring and summer I always rock stock! I find that it's enough turn for me especially in the +25C summers we have here. I will also say in my experience keeping shit stock definitely increases the life of bushings