Truck set-ups

[thanksgiving]

this is a longboard truck geometry(reverse kingpin). the right angle between the pivot and bushing seat gives a truck a more consistent turn rather than "divey" like a skate truck is. also less stress on parts as the pivot and kingpin arent trying to move in opposite directions. i feel like it may put more stress on the kingpin though when landing, as the force is much more horizontal rather than going up into the baseplate and deck.

aera longboard trucks are like 300 bucks or something and made by the guy who helped create the formula g slides are made of
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[j....soy.....]

Would you describe it as a light or heavy pop?

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

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Take a gander at these puppies that just fell from the sky. I'll tell you all about them, but I'll let you nerds have a little talk amongst yourselves first.

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Looks like stage 8 159s/169s with Krux pins. Pretty cool. I love stage 11 but I would be lying if I said the hanger and yoke didn't look so much better on the older stages.

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Nice spot on the stage 8. I must have baby hands, 'cause they're actually just 149. Wouldn't you say that's probably the most sought after size these days for people who actually want to skate them?

I'd say it's pretty rare to find pre stage 9 Indy's over 8" in such good condition, so I'm pretty stoked on them. Btw, does anybody remember this hanger decal design?
2020s: "Let's get rid of the iron cross"
1990s: Let's put like ten fucking iron crosses on this bitch, sick dude!"

I got them really cheap from someone who probably didn't quite know what they were selling. From the grind marks, it looks like they were only used for mellow transition skating, probably just metal coping. The baseplates have just enough marks to confirm that they've been used, but the mounting holes and the base are mint, leaving me to think that they were only ever used on one setup, and have been sitting ever since.

I've always heard that it's impossible to fit inverted kingpins in stage 8s, and indeed, the previous owner took great care to drill out the kingpin hole in the baseplate so the nut sits super snug in there with no epoxy. Has anyone else tried this, and is it really just stage 8s that have this narrow baseplate hole?

Nice, that is a hell of a find, even better that they're 149s. Stage 7s can be done with no epoxy as well.

Assuming you skate them, let us know how they are.

[LebowskisRug]

Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

[Ok]

Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

Possibly controversial opinion here: no.
I really wanted the indy pop, from ace, but that hasn’t been my experience (unless I ride the crail 8.25 x 14wb with huge wheels, I cannot get ace trucks to pop, and that usually isn’t my problem).
For me, indy pops much better.
Again, in my opinion, thunder cast 149s, are closer to an indy pop, than anything ace.

[braksabbath]

Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

I put Ace 55 on a 1/8 riser on a cruiser board, so that brings it up to 55mm tall like Indy, similar but still some ghost pop since I don't ride it often and not used to it

[Mbrimson88]

Do Ace Classic or AF1 have the most similar pop feel to Indy?

AF1 are closer to Indy in everything like that, from what others have said and I have felt in the minimal skates on a board with Ace Classics and another board with AF1, compared to my usual Indy standards that is (also have boards with hollows and forged plates too which are closer in height).


Oddly enough, my first run back on my usual Indy setup felt sluggish to turn after being on a setup with super loose AF1 trucks for a session, but it doesn't take too long to adjust between any of them.

[mynameisnotjeff]

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Looks like Zach’s skating a prototype street style truck from Aera. They make longboard trucks and he follows them on Instagram.

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They're no Caliber IIIs

The smallest ones they make are 9”.
I wonder how’d they skate with that squared out shape.

[mbam003]

Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?

[Mantracker]

Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?

While I have no measurements or data to suggest this, it seems the general consensus is that Ace turn the deepest/sharpest/quickest

[Xen]

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Sorry if this has been discussed before (or discussed to death), but is there any information or measurements on the turn depth of Ace Classic vs Indy Standard (55mm) vs Indy Forged (53.5mm)? It's obvious Ace Classic respond the fastest out of these trucks and also the axles are inset over Indys 0.25" which should increase turn depth, but they're also lower, something like 52-53mm. Do Aces carve the deepest or just fastest?

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While I have no measurements or data to suggest this, it seems the general consensus is that Ace turn the deepest/sharpest/quickest

[j....soy.....]

I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go. 

[SaySo]

Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.

[beatifk]

I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go.

I agree with this. In fact, depending on your setup (as with any of these mathematical hypothetical assessments of skateboard products), I find Ace to be the slowest. Thunder is the quickest, then Indy, then Ace. I have no experience with Venture since the late 90s/early 00s so I can't assess those. I also haven't tried AF1's only classics.

However, Ace is the 'best' turn as it feels the most controlled to me, but there is certainly a delay at the very beginning of it. Thunder is super twitchy and sometimes I feel like Indy's are controlling my turn rather than me having 100% control. Maybe that sounds completely idiotic.

I ride my trucks just at the edge of wobbly, but with no wobble if that makes any difference... so I guess that's considered medium-loose? who knows?

[thanksgiving]

Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.

based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else

[SaySo]

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I’ll subscribe to the deepest, sharpest, but not necessarily the quickest.  I always think the top end is stable, it’s when you lean into the, they really go.

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I agree with this. In fact, depending on your setup (as with any of these mathematical hypothetical assessments of skateboard products), I find Ace to be the slowest. Thunder is the quickest, then Indy, then Ace. I have no experience with Venture since the late 90s/early 00s so I can't assess those. I also haven't tried AF1's only classics.

However, Ace is the 'best' turn as it feels the most controlled to me, but there is certainly a delay at the very beginning of it. Thunder is super twitchy and sometimes I feel like Indy's are controlling my turn rather than me having 100% control. Maybe that sounds completely idiotic.

I ride my trucks just at the edge of wobbly, but with no wobble if that makes any difference... so I guess that's considered medium-loose? who knows?

I feel you. To me, it's as if Indy's turn into a groove/track of turn arc, if that makes any sense, whereas with Aces I'm in the driver's (pilot's  ) seat.

[SaySo]

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Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.

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based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else

Thanks! They probably are beyond the A durometer scale. They honestly don't even feel like urethane. Probably some flavor of thermoplastic.

[manysnakes]

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Greetings and salutations, y'all.

I've been searching, to no avail, but perhaps one of the denizens of these forums could help me out.

What durometer are the Indy stock pivot cups?

I'm looking into swapping them out for some aftermarket ones but can't find any actual information other than "they are hard plastic," so it's difficult to gauge how much softer I should go.

Thanks in advance for any assistance you may be able to provide.

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based purely on feel after using 96 riptides they must be over 100. probably too hard for the A durometer scale...

most people thought the af1 pivots(96a) were very soft and mushy feeling to give you another point of reference.

also 96 riptides are the truth. dont look at anything else

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Thanks! They probably are beyond the A durometer scale. They honestly don't even feel like urethane. Probably some flavor of thermoplastic.

Yeah, I'm not plastics expert, but when Riptides came out, they pushed themselves as the first polyurethane pivot cup, so that would lead me to believe that the others are indeed some type of thermoplastic. Other than the new Ace, which is polyurethane according to people on here.

[j....soy.....]

Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…

[SaySo]

Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…

I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.

[Xen]

I'm holding out for some NFG cups; for now the new ACE cups work great (in my indys too).

[backinaction]

I saw the kooky RKP trucks that Zach Doelling was riding and skimmed a couple videos to see if he mentioned anything about them.  Didn't find that - but saw these.  Any ideas what they are?

In the comments he says "Always, lately. Also I’ve been putting videos up a bit out of order as well. In this video they were a secret truck I’m pretty sure. I’m on and have been on thunder for a while although I’m not fully satisfied."

4-5 years ago I did hear that SkateOne was working on a non MiniLogo truck. Given that he is on Powell, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a SkateOne truck.

[Xen]

Torx 2.0 where’s MikeV?

[Richard Skidder]

Torx 2.0 where’s MikeV?

Lol. The chances of Tork coming back is pretty nill.

[goodatmeth]

I saw the kooky RKP trucks that Zach Doelling was riding and skimmed a couple videos to see if he mentioned anything about them.  Didn't find that - but saw these.  Any ideas what they are?

In the comments he says "Always, lately. Also I’ve been putting videos up a bit out of order as well. In this video they were a secret truck I’m pretty sure. I’m on and have been on thunder for a while although I’m not fully satisfied."

4-5 years ago I did hear that SkateOne was working on a non MiniLogo truck. Given that he is on Powell, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a SkateOne truck.

Haha I did exactly the same over the course of the last days. No idea how he manages to skate so many different trucks. But he also rips on old school shaped decks and whatever.
The trucks I saw in his last videos:
1. Whatever the one in your picture is
2. The longboard trucks
3. Mini logos
4. Thunders

[j....soy.....]

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Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…

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I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.

Maybe order ‘em….most people seem to like them…

[SaySo]

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Indy makes aftermarket which I’d assume is better than stock….I like the riptides as well…

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I was looking at those also today when at the shop. They appear to be the same as the stock Indy ones that came with my pair of Stage XI hollow forged. I think the aftermarket Indy's are just replacement for if/when people blow out their stock pivot cups.

Unfortunately my local doesn't stock Riptides. I'm giving a set of locally produced pivot cups called "Masame" a try.

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Maybe order ‘em….most people seem to like them…

Order the Riptides?

Might do at some point, definitely seem to be great from all accounts.

But for the moment I'm giving the locally sourced producers some love. Will chime back in after I've ridden them for a while.

Plus, $20 a pop sounds crazy when the rest of the market is at maybe $10 max? Can they be that much better? lol.

Nevertheless, thanks everyone for sharing your advice and experiences!

[LebowskisRug]

I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.

[PuffinMuffin]

I honestly disliked Riptides. They feel mushy and took away snap back to center on Indy’s. After fucking around I far prefer stock Indy’s to modded.

I honestly couldn't tell the difference when I plopped them in a pair of Indys. 

[LebowskisRug]

I mean it’s all nuances but I marked my kingpins and if anything they just felt kinda squishy turning, but yah it’s not huge. Just not worth it and I felt Slap overhyped them.