Independent trucks and racist ideology

[David Lee Sloth]

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
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Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that

[David Lee Sloth]

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
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I just thought the same thing. Something along the lines of “Now it’s time to remove the cross babes.”

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Yeah thats pretty much what she said.
Very interested to see if anyone else will say something to Indy.

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If you read the comments Lacey baker says she rode for them for years but just quit a month ago because they wouldn't change their logo

Good for they. Start your own truck company.

[David Lee Sloth]

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.

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Here you go...

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I'm probably taking someone's post but...

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Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that

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I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.

Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.

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Here you go...

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I'm probably taking someone's post but...

Who?

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Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that

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I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.

Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo

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Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).

The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?

[Glurmpz]

Not Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)

In 1996 I had a Flip shirt with that font and underneath it said " Hate. Kill. Destroy.", no lie. I wore it once when I went to work (at a restaurant, changing out of the tee into a uniform) and my filipino friend tripped out. I'm from a small east coast town in Canada that's almost entirely white, so at the time I had no idea flip was a slur. Never wore that shirt again.

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Not Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)

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In 1996 I had a Flip shirt with that font and underneath it said " Hate. Kill. Destroy.", no lie. I wore it once when I went to work (at a restaurant, changing out of the tee into a uniform) and my filipino friend tripped out. I'm from a small east coast town in Canada that's almost entirely white, so at the time I had no idea flip was a slur. Never wore that shirt again.

And that’s just the decent response.

[layzieyez]

I'm filipino. That's our word.

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It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

[georgethecat]

It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

Times change. You learn new things. You gain perspective and look at things a different way. I'm guessing this has never happened to you.

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It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time

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It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

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I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time

No, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.

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Can this thread be cancelled now please.

Good call I always wondered why no one ever questioned the Flip iron cross. It’s pretty blatant. 
They’re graphics vibe heavily off the Motorhead aesthetic that unapologetically uses Nazi imagery on all it’s merch.  It’s a known fact that Lemmy Kilmister was a serious collector of WW2 German militaria.

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Can this thread be cancelled now please.

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Good call I always wondered why no one ever questioned the Flip iron cross. It’s pretty blatant. 
They’re graphics vibe heavily off the Motorhead aesthetic that unapologetically uses Nazi imagery on all it’s merch.  It’s a known fact that Lemmy Kilmister was a serious collector of WW2 German militaria.

...yup.  Sorry if it makes some folx uncomfortable but if you grew up white in the suburbs you probably grew up w some racist shit around.  Just get over it and move on.  The way I see it, you basically have a free pass rn to come out and admit hey I’m not perfect.  It’s a good time to rethink some things.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

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It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

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I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time

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No, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.

  I agree but that doesn't mean it isnt a good idea to get rid of the cross. It would be a fuck you to their white pride customers of which there's a lot.  Good message I guess rite?

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It’s actually funny that that some of the people who skate for Indy have now just decided they have a problem with the cross, why not when they first got on the team? Surely if you were that against the logo you wouldn’t have signed up in the first place?

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I think it’s ‘funny’/worrisome that you cannot see how someone would grow, evolve, and change their mind over time

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No, the only reason they changed their mind was to jump on the bandwagon through fear of being deemed racist, they didn’t give a shit about that cross a month ago, they were just happy being sponsored regardless of its history. Just being sheep.

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  I agree but that doesn't mean it isnt a good idea to get rid of the cross. It would be a fuck you to their white pride customers of which there's a lot.  Good message I guess rite?

Yeah I get what your saying man.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

  They should give Peanut a pro truck and have a full pager of him ripping to introduce whatever new Indy symbol.  If they had a contest to design a symbol thing it'd prolly get a ton of art submitted and they could get something better for sure.

[Glurmpz]

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Not Indy, obviously, but I was just reminded of these Flip designs from watching Boulala's Sorry part (maybe he was riding Indys as well to complete the ensemble?)

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In 1996 I had a Flip shirt with that font and underneath it said " Hate. Kill. Destroy.", no lie. I wore it once when I went to work (at a restaurant, changing out of the tee into a uniform) and my filipino friend tripped out. I'm from a small east coast town in Canada that's almost entirely white, so at the time I had no idea flip was a slur. Never wore that shirt again.

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And that’s just the decent response.

I got the shirt for free and I remember it fit well, so that's probably why I wore it, but as soon as my friend clued me in to his first impression of it I felt horrible about my commute to work wearing it. No idea why I would wear that, looking back. Seems out of character. Dumbass kid.

[David Lee Sloth]

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.

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Here you go...

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I'm probably taking someone's post but...

Who?

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Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that

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I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.

Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo

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Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).

The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?

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You still haven't heard a goddamn thing ive said. Dont like it, QUIT

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  They should give Peanut a pro truck and have a full pager of him ripping to introduce whatever new Indy symbol.  If they had a contest to design a symbol thing it'd prolly get a ton of art submitted and they could get something better for sure.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

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  They should give Peanut a pro truck and have a full pager of him ripping to introduce whatever new Indy symbol.  If they had a contest to design a symbol thing it'd prolly get a ton of art submitted and they could get something better for sure.

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.   
  Right you don't know who Peanut Brown is.  Well he ripped, rode Ranally trucks.  Skated stylishly.  Knocked out Jason Jesse.

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mannn yes I do really I should've read the username before I responded. ignore on.

[givecigstosurfgroms]

mannn yes I do really I should've read the username before I responded. ignore on.

  So ur just a mean cunt basically, great.

[KINGTONY]

didnt even fuckin know who he was nice withdrawl

[Ocelot]

lol breezeana just cucked the company she rides for

[ok boomer]

could see her on Gring King 2019

[BobbyPshew]

I know people get put out over Iron Crosses, but they're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.
It wasn't a great choice for a logo, but they only used it for aesthetic reasons, not idealogical ones.
If they changed the logo they've had since 1979, they'd lose so much brand identity.
Fausto, Blackhart and Eric Swenson weren't Nazis!
If you think they are, you're deluded.
If you don't like the logo, don't buy the stickers and softgoods. Simple.

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they're just trucks and there's no Iron Cross on the trucks, themselves.

[Lowcalcium]

The Independent Logo has always been so lame...but they make great trucks. Come up with a different logo and maybe chopper dudes and alt right dudes will stop wearing your shirts

[David Lee Sloth]

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Fuck I didn't screen shot it but Breana commented about how they should get rid of the cross.
As far as I can tell the comment has been removed.

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Here you go...

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I'm probably taking someone's post but...

Who?

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Exactly. She's too new in the industry to try and shot call like that

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I agree, no one’s voice should matter in the industry until they’re 45 years old and completely out of touch.

Oh, and the word you’re looking for is “them.”
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The point is she's riding on their dime. Don't like it, quit. And ride for "them". Sorry, I'm not "hip" with the lingo

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Why shouldn’t an employee voice an opinion about a company they work with? Why does worker voice worry you? I’ll hazard a guess that you aren’t a successful company owner. You might be an employee. Why shouldn’t you be able to express an opinion about where you presumably work? (I’m guessing you).

The at best, sarcastic, ‘outlaw’ imagery, hasn’t aged well. Why does the notion of changing it bother people? What is the draw to the nazi-lite symbol? Why not just go full ‘swazi’?

Considering you left out that the "Indy Cross" is part of their brand identity of a company that's been successful for 30+ years now suggests you're not a successful company owner. The bigger point here is all these idiots now coming out to "prove" they're not racist by taking a swipe at soft targets.

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[COMMUNITYPACK]

This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.

Palace is donating a million, and they don't have a racist symbol-esque logo, nor a history of racists wearing their products.

Just a history of dickheads.

To be fair, I didn't read the rest of your post and you might well have made some very good points.