Truck set-ups

[j....soy.....]

I’m sure it’ll be a big time disrupter…..just like a lower but heavier truck, with a protruding lowered kingpin.  No idea how I will sleep until I see it…..

[lamfordie]

I saw this video on Ig(wish I had the link for it) that showed someone replacing their kingpins with the krux inverted kingpins on a set of 161 thunders. What was interesting was that the baseplate for the thunder was different from what I have seen. Instead of the round hole that the kingpin was in it was more hexagon in shape. I don't remember thunder changing the shape of the hole for the kingpin. Is this something new that thunder is doing?

[tuesday]

Pictures of the new Thunder baseplate that accomodates hexagonal kingpin heads have already been posted here. Couple months ago.

[LebowskisRug]

Those look kinda like a Thunder from the Upside Down.

[LebowskisRug]

People who fuck with trucks: high level nerd/it doesn't matter question:

My Indy's are showing 1.5-2 threads in back maybe. I was debating grinding down the kingpin and keeping stock bushings or using the blues so the nut is more flush. I'm hanging up on feebles a bit and have hollow kingpin which feel pretty harsh to grind through.

Would the compressed oranges have any different qualities than less compressed blues? I imagine as a bushing is compressed the way it rebounds changes since the bushing is pre squished and not near the end of the rebound if that makes sense. Like on center a squished bushing is using 20% rebound but flush is 0.

[lamfordie]

Pictures of the new Thunder baseplate that accomodates hexagonal kingpin heads have already been posted here. Couple months ago.

Sweet, I hope they do this for venture as well.

[Plan9Customs]

Well I guess since Chicos posting about them it’s not a secret.

Just didn’t want to post and blow shit up before it was known.

[Frank and Fred]

So sick. This Stage 4 news is about the only thing that might tempt me away from Ace. If they do it, I hope they put out a decent size range.

[yourbreakfsat]

Well I guess since Chicos posting about them it’s not a secret.

Just didn’t want to post and blow shit up before it was known.

If they get released, Powell reissue deck sales are gonna explode :v

[Ok]

Ace with Indy qc. Not too bad.

[Frank and Fred]

Shit. Forget Powell. I'll be setting up a Tom Knox reissue with these and some OJ Freezstreets.

[Xen]

I really doubt Indy is going to put out an Ace/stage 3 copy.

How could it be a 'copy', it's the OG.

What will be telling is the lack of hollow body, will smaller sizes bend? There's a reason why Indy (and ACE, and Theeve all) switched over to the wing/V design...but you don't see a lot of bitching about 215s bending (impact or not).

Older stages were lower, maybe the stage 4 design is where the mids are coming from with their 'classic' geometry (and could explain the yoke offset using mid hangers on the regular XI plates).

[Frank and Fred]

You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)

[Xen]

You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)

I look to ACE ace and how they bent (even at 8") Theeve didn't have bending issues that I was ever aware of.

Guess that's why they're testing them out instead of just pushing them to market. I'd imagine that metals and tolerances since the OG IV and current XI have changed? 215s supposedly still use the old geo, but if I remember right there was a time where the 215s were updated to stage XI (last year or so?). Who knows.

Stage IV / that hanger design + Forged ti ? Yes, please.

[manysnakes]

Indy has something up their sleeve. Those are definitely not NOS, as every aspect of that truck is modern made in China. I'm now leaning towards these not being a "stage 12" but merely 215 shaped hangers in smaller sizes, which is still an older geo I believe, but I don't see them scrapping the 11's and replacing all of them with this 215 hanger in 129-169. Riots will happen. So the question is are they just offering this to team riders or will they release them to the public?

It costs a high five or six-figure sum to make a new mold for something like this so there’s basically no chance that they don’t intend to sell them.

[Xen]

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Indy has something up their sleeve. Those are definitely not NOS, as every aspect of that truck is modern made in China. I'm now leaning towards these not being a "stage 12" but merely 215 shaped hangers in smaller sizes, which is still an older geo I believe, but I don't see them scrapping the 11's and replacing all of them with this 215 hanger in 129-169. Riots will happen. So the question is are they just offering this to team riders or will they release them to the public?

[close]

It costs a high five or six-figure sum to make a new mold for something like this so there’s basically no chance that they don’t intend to sell them.

Unless they have old Stage IV molds still kicking around (doubtful they risk using a classic OG mold)? I mean they still make 215s with that hanger design.

[Lou Strux]

I confess, I would prolly fuck with these if they were to come in an 8.5 or 8.75.
And here I was, telling myself to hold out for the AF1 hollows, but who knows what the future may hold for me now: perhaps a taste of the past?

[tuesday]

@lamfordie: found the the Thunder base pic in this thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.150#quickreply

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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.

[close]

I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.

[j....soy.....]

Didn’t we say they are testing an inverted kingpin like 11 pages back? 

[Xen]

Didn’t we say they are testing an inverted kingpin like 11 pages back? 

Yep. I hope they get it right and throw some industrial grade nylock in the plate. PReferably around the whole damn thing,

[LebowskisRug]

Rumor is they're offering both versions but the Teams will be standard kingpins. Just a rumor since they've been testing these trucks for 4 years.

[Joe Davola]

My Indy Ti 149s got some bad axel slip about a month ago. Wasn't able to tighten an axel nut past the threads before hitting the bearing.

I swapped them out with some Thunder Ti 149s. I've had them a while but skated them like twice. Clear red bushings.

After my first ollie, I realized that I'm not going back to Indy. My pop felt sooooooo much better. Pretty sure it's the lower height. The turn feels more stable, too. The Indys were fairly loose with bones mediums. Might change the Thunder bushings eventually but I'm pretty happy just riding stock.

[Scottboarding]

After my first ollie, I realized that I'm not going back to Indy. My pop felt sooooooo much better. Pretty sure it's the lower height. The turn feels more stable, too.

This is exactly why I ride Thunders. Indy and Ace are fun to ride, but I skate noticeably better on Thunders. The only thing I don’t like about thunders is the short baseplate causes me to catch my wheels on noseslides every now and then. It’s a trade off I’m perfectly fine with though.

[Mbrimson88]

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You'd think wider axles would be more prone to bending than narrower. You probably don't see too many bent 215s as not many people skate those in high impact situations. (Except Gonz ollieing down Wallenberg of course.)

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I look to ACE ace and how they bent (even at 8") Theeve didn't have bending issues that I was ever aware of.

Guess that's why they're testing them out instead of just pushing them to market. I'd imagine that metals and tolerances since the OG IV and current XI have changed? 215s supposedly still use the old geo, but if I remember right there was a time where the 215s were updated to stage XI (last year or so?). Who knows.

Stage IV / that hanger design + Forged ti ? Yes, please.

A few truck brands have had issues with the production facilities not following procedure and overfilling the baskets of hangers that went through the heat curing process, which leads to the metal not being tempered correctly and the truck hangers bend in ways no one would believe (including myself) if I hadn't seen them with my own eyes.

Theeve, Ace and Destructo all had these issues when they first came out, as per Theeve trucks comment from Trev Ward on this post:


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"I’ll give you the heads up. I used this factory which Krux and venture both used too. When they heat treat their trucks they over fill their baskets and the trucks don’t get heat treated correctly. This creates the issue. It’s not the design of the truck it’s the factory cutting corners. 100,000 units I lost through this. I thought it was a design flaw and then the V2 theeve came out. But when the truth came out we worked out a very hard lesson"



I still have a dozen sets of Destructo trucks which are in perfect working order that were made in USA, then this set from back when production went from USA to China for these Destructo trucks early 00s, which some people still cannot believe is real, but they bent from skateboarding, not being run over or any other thing.


To note though, they also fixed production and make what is said to be a very good product nowdays, but I have not skated any that were made after 2000 and certainly seen none of the newer models in person.

[JugeL]

Smiley truck co.

[sammyz]

i've managed to get myself into truck madness over the last couple of days.

i've read through the Truck wheelbase thread too...so that's either made it worse or maybe provided a solution...

so hear me out...I've switched to Passport decks, and i like everything about it (especially, buying local) except for the longer wheelbase...my sweet spot is 14-14.25 on a 32" long deck. This deck is 32 long, but 14.5 wheelbase.

Now, when I skated the 14-14.25, i loved it on thunders, and per the wheelbase thread, the effective wheelbase was somewhere around 17.5'ish.

Now on my Passport i have my Indy Forged Hollow, which is effectively the same wheelbase as Thunders and stretches that wheelbase to 17.7'ish.

A standard Indy have a shorter wheelbase and I feel like the difference is to do with the cast baseplate vs forged baseplate. 

What I wanted to know, is if anyone has tried a cast baseplate on a hollow hanger...does this reduce the wheelbase back to a standard Indy?

[sammyz]

We can ignore my post above…i did the deed…and yeah the baseplate makes a difference and cuts wheelbase.

But my theory was wrong, I thought it was the height of the baseplate, but its the angle of the kingpin that’s different, and just looking at it, you can see the angle of the kingpin is different.

[Richard Skidder]

@lamfordie: found the the Thunder base pic in this thread: https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=118215.150#quickreply

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Looks like Thunder is setting the kingpin deeper into the baseplate now. Should allow to get them a little bit looser.

[close]

I saw a newer set of Ventures that are like that too. I think it's just a shorter kingpin because the hanger clearance up top looks about the same as the old ones. Maybe that recessed bit on the baseplate is designed to fit a sleeve (like on the Mindys) if they ever release that inverted kingpin version.

[close]

The recess is for shorter kingpins because they couldn’t source the normal length kingpin at the time due to supply chain issues. It’s much cheaper to modify an existing mold by removing metal from the mold than it is to make a new one so it was an economical solution to a shortage issue.

[logjammin]

Anyone know best and easiest spraypaint for custom truck colors? I like black baseplates over raw these days and wanna glaze em up.

[Painted Baby]

Anyone know best and easiest spraypaint for custom truck colors? I like black baseplates over raw these days and wanna glaze em up.

I would talk to @lilboosie if I was thinking of doing homebrew truck colors.

If Indy is keeping their made up numbers consistentish, wouldn't a 166 be 9" truck? Sorta seems like a direct competitor to the Ace AF1 66s.