Truck set-ups

[FGO925]

What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

[LebowskisRug]

On the top the washer hits the hanger on Thunder and Venture so a flat allows for a bit more turn. On Indy I didn't notice much but I thought Bones sucked on Indy so I ditched them fast.

[jimgrude]

What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.

[Mbrimson88]

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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.

I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

[mynameisnotjeff]

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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.

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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.

[FGO925]

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What’s the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

I’ve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but I’m never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.

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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

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It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.

It really is crazy. Pretty interesting though, the madness can really set in.

So from what you all have said, it generally makes the truck a bit “looser” feeling. I assume the rebound means how quick it snaps back to straight correct? I guess it just allows the truck carve and turn a bit more by not having a cupped washer cradle the bushing all around.

I remember once on my Indy’s with bones bushings, I grinded down the truck and kingpin so much that on super dipped smiths/feebles (most noticeable on pool coping) the flat washer and bushing itself was starting to tear and blow out.

I’m really liking my setup now: thunder team hollows, stock bushing on top and red thunder 97a on bottom, stock washers on both.

Truck tightness is so subjective, but If my trucks were a steak it would be a medium rare

[Xen]

I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

[j....soy.....]

I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushing….

[Xen]

I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushing….

I've never used the washers on top since they added them; usually I'll put it on the bottom to keep stock geo...except tensors, they're a prefect fit without washers and do the truck wonders.

[Ride it to dust]

I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

I’m sure my top washer is binding on my 148’s. Have a horizontal, sharp groove around where the kingpin nut is both sides. I assumed it’s where the washer is stopping the turn from maxing out?

[ImmanuelCunt]

I realized that my 147s definitely bind some time ago, too. I currently have ~46-47 (i don't have a caliper rn) worn down lil smokies conical fulls on them, so that might explain it, but I have been "noticing" it for a while. I just wondered that I got minimal wheel bite marks on the last deck, even though I did the usual amount of crookeds/smiths etc,  and investigated.
The marks on the hanger are visible and the washer gets in contact with the hanger quite a bit before wheel bite, but it is really hard to measure or get photos of it.I doesn't feel bad or limiting for me in terms of pinch/turn though. It is definitely not venture level and I don't feel like messing around with a flat washer since I am currently content with my trucks and swapping wheels is somewhat overdue anyways.
I guess it might start to happen with wheels around ~50mm on 148s and above since they are taller and wheel bite later or when using risers.

tl;dr
Definetely binds with ~46-47mm on 147s and it has been a while.
Conclusion: Might be the case with ~50mm on the larger trucks as well or when using risers, but I cannot verify.

[LebowskisRug]

I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

Always has been for me, not like Venture. I'll grab a pic if I can figure out how to not be a boomer.

[Xen]

Of course it has.

[LebowskisRug]

2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.

[FGO925]

Wow, pretty interesting. I assume this only happened (top washer getting pinched against the hanger) when your doing tricks like super pinched krooks, or if you ride shakey loose and have a heavy pinch for 5-0’s and smith/feebles.

That helps me visualize why a flat washer might help give the truck more turn. On top of the bushing itself having more room and freedom to turn by not being cupped by the stock washers.

[LebowskisRug]

I do a good amount of curb and slappy skating and pinched crooks and 5-0s are my go-to. But unlike Venture my bushing never blows.

You can see it on de Bobby's trucks clearly here- the marks on the sides of the hanger bushing cup:

[Xen]

2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.

Yeah, totes bizarre must be me…

Anyway, I assumed you meant washer binding. Washer binding = limiting turn. Like Super loose ventures will literally lockup. Washer preventing the truck from turning. That’s what’s happening to you?

This has nothing to do with pinch on crooks and marks obtained from said crooks. Which looks like what you’re showing in your pic?

Pretty sure the thunder team riders aren’t sucking it up with ‘binding washers’ just saying.

Regardless, I ride wheel bite loose on thunders and my stock washers have never impeded my ability to wheelbite maybe if the washer had I could have less wheelbite.

Didn’t you also have some recent post about your washers are bending weirdly? Perhaps that’s the cause? Shitty washers deforming would certainly dig into the hanger. Are these old trucks? New? Rebuild kit? Has this always happened? If not how long is it been going on please let us know.

And most importantly if this isn’t impacting any of your skating then who the fuck cares you certainly shouldn’t.

[LebowskisRug]

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2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.

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Yeah, totes bizarre must be me…

Anyway, I assumed you meant washer binding. Washer binding = limiting turn. Like Super loose ventures will literally lockup. Washer preventing the truck from turning. That’s what’s happening to you?

This has nothing to do with pinch on crooks and marks obtained from said crooks. Which looks like what you’re showing in your pic?

Pretty sure the thunder team riders aren’t sucking it up with ‘binding washers’ just saying.

Regardless, I ride wheel bite loose on thunders and my stock washers have never impeded my ability to wheelbite maybe if the washer had I could have less wheelbite.

Didn’t you also have some recent post about your washers are bending weirdly? Perhaps that’s the cause? Shitty washers deforming would certainly dig into the hanger. Are these old trucks? New? Rebuild kit? Has this always happened? If not how long is it been going on please let us know.

And most importantly if this isn’t impacting any of your skating then who the fuck cares you certainly shouldn’t.

I dunno why my washer have bent, it's super weird cuz it's worse with the back truck, which takes less impact. It's only happened on this set of trucks with stock bushings? I only really care cuz over time the truck feels looser and I'm a set and forget type person with tighteness I almost never adjust shit after I find it. If it's super hot and feels looser that day then I'm riding looser that day.

I don't think it limits the turn as much as on a Venture, but I did notice when I put a flat washer on and tightened he kingpin nut in the exact same spot it felt that it was easier to touch insofar as there being less bushing compression at the end cuz the lack of a cup. I tried Bones back in the day and felt like I bit more but I was riding looser then.

I consider the marks normal but never really got them on Indy's I rode that I can recall. It definitely doesn't crack my bushings like it would on Ventures.

[Vintagebody]

I swapped out stock top bushing to thunder blues, which are same height, but slightly smaller, like 1mm.
I got such marks on the trucks aswell, after just a few minutes

[FuzzGNU]

I really detest wheelbite, and I’m a big boy, so naturally I fuck with my truck setup a lot.
The Indy risers I got for a ton of money got completely mushed, and couldn’t possibly be 1/8”, and weren’t keeping the wheels away from the board. I went to my shed and got out my carpentry spacers. They come in a big bag with sizes 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5mm. Too bad about the colour. They’re way harder but still flex somewhat. I’m probably never buying risers again. Not pretty, just did it quick and dirty with handheld drill.

At the same time I took out the Indy aftermarket super hard 96a bushings, and put the bones Hards back in. They have previously been squished in my 139 Leo Romero Hollow Lows, so now I’m using them with the washers. Also put some soap flakes in the pivot cups. Now it’s completely silent and wheelbite free. Front truck is flush nut, and rear is half a thread.

What deck is that? Can I see a picture of the whole thing? Looks sick!

[FuzzGNU]

@Creachteach that is pretty sick! Thanks for sharing!

Love the thematic coordination of the wheel and deck graphic haha.

[Vintagebody]

Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

[IpathCats]

Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

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[goodatmeth]

Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

Probably Krux K4, they don't turn at any speed. Thunders might be the worst choice. Don't know about ventures yet but seems like they would work great.

[LebowskisRug]

Judging by the GX crew over- Venture, Thunder, Indy just depends on how your large testicles swing and how it effects the truck arc.

[manysnakes]

Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

Caliber IIIs

[j....soy.....]

Paris or Bear…

[Sloppy Krooks]

Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

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[Lee Ralphs Dear Old Mum]

I've never had speed wobble with Thunders.

[DERBY]

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Whats the most stable truck for downhill bombing? I only have 8.25" trucks, and Indy's feel kinda... Like they can quickly bite back if you do some quicker carves at high speed. I want to go up to atleast 8.5, so idk if Indy's change when sizing up... Thunders better for such?

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