Truck set-ups

[j....soy.....]

Are Ace after market pivots any good?  Do they fit in most trucks?

[rawbertson.]

I went to a shop called TX-Sports in Nurnburg whne I lived there. I thought it was solid enough. Anyone familiar with this shop + their impressions? They had this massive bsaement with like ridiculous amount of clearance shoes which was kinda cool.

Whne I went to Zurich, Switzerland. I went to this shoe store in the upper part of some building that had like ridiculous amounts of throw back shoes... like Osiris, Es, Adio, Emericas, Globe all from early 2000s. this was in 2013. I would try and find it again but it seems like Germany and Switzerland doesnt allow Street View.

[logjammin]

Are Ace after market pivots any good?  Do they fit in most trucks?

The AF1 cups are better in terms of being more of an actual urethane instead of a flexible plastic like the classic pivot cups. But they claim the same durometer as Riptide for those AF1 cups, and they definitely are more squishy and prone to ripping compared to Riptides. The AF1 aftermarkets are just easier to find at a local as no locals are carrying 'tides.

[j....soy.....]

Just need to round up an online purchase….thanks….

I actually have a longboard shop near by so riptides are pretty easy to get….

[logjammin]

I'd say you're better off with riptides then. But Ace AF1 are better than your average stock pivot cup, yeah. They fit stage 11 and stage 4 hangers in them good, but not ace classics.

[manysnakes]

FWIW I bought some newer Ace AF-1s early last year and the pivot cups and the divot in which they sit have been perfectly fine. No problems whatsoever. The bushings are getting blown out now, but the pivot cup works great.

[fernando the skater]

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Are Ace after market pivots any good?  Do they fit in most trucks?

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The AF1 cups are better in terms of being more of an actual urethane instead of a flexible plastic like the classic pivot cups. But they claim the same durometer as Riptide for those AF1 cups, and they definitely are more squishy and prone to ripping compared to Riptides. The AF1 aftermarkets are just easier to find at a local as no locals are carrying 'tides.

This shop tested the AF1 bushings at 89 durometer, so less than the 96 claimed - https://offsetskatesupply.co.uk/product/ace-af1-pivot-cups/

[logjammin]

Oh yeah, that 89d readout sounds about right. Yeah, I will say I haven't had any issues with any recent batches of the aftermarket AF1 cups or the ones that come stock in the trucks of newer revs. But when they first came out I ripped several pairs.

[Mr. Pickles]

I just set up some ace classics and the bushings seem to blow out of the washers on both of them. I'm thinking it's just a bad design and want to switch out the bushings. Any recommendations for good bushings in aces?

[logjammin]

It's the washers. The bushings are the best ever. Just switch the washers for ones from different trucks like Indy, it will solve the issue.

[cosmicgypsies]

Slid through the baseplate on some AF1s, was kinda wary on still skating them so had to dig in the spares box and hack something together (that was still matching atleast) till I get paid. Ended up as AF1 44 hangers on venture baseplates, ace bottoms and venture tops.



I'd expected it to be awful as I've never liked mixing truck components but it actually feels pretty good, just a stabler Ace pretty much.

[logjammin]

Do they still turn like Ace quick and deep or more delay and lean like Venture?

[cosmicgypsies]

Do they still turn like Ace quick and deep or more delay and lean like Venture?

It's really just a middle ground imo, not as quick and snappy as an Ace turn but not as delayed as a Venture. It does have a nice stable center point though which I never found Ace to have, made some fliptricks slightly easier. Might be a bad comparison as I havent touched them in years but if anything it just makes it a bang average truck akin to Indy's (ie stable in the center but turns when you want it to) as opposed to Ace which is all turn and Venture where you have to kinda force it.

[logjammin]

Right on, at least the combination works and you're happy with it. If it diminishes the Ace turn I'll hold off on trying it.

[Paperclip20]

Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

[manysnakes]

Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

I didn't find that Riptides made my Indys squeak any less.

[Mbrimson88]

Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

I have used a few things in between parts, mainly wax now as it is simple and easier to apply and doesn't make a big mess, but as you said, sometimes the squeaking comes back a little too soon.

Others have put a thin coating of bearing lube or sewing machine oil on the hanger pivot nub, or one drop into the pivot cup and squished it in, which seemed to work well enough too.


If you can work out what is doing the squeaking, then it is a bit easier to sort out.  More often than not the pivot cup or pivot point, but also the bushings / washers and sometimes even the washers / kingpin nuts, so a little wax on all contact surfaces and most if not all noise stops.

It can make the trucks feel a bit more loose too, but using a bit more wax on the pivot cup area usually did the trick for most boards I had worked on for people, including my own.

[metchup]

Slid through the baseplate on some AF1s, was kinda wary on still skating them so had to dig in the spares box and hack something together (that was still matching atleast) till I get paid. Ended up as AF1 44 hangers on venture baseplates, ace bottoms and venture tops.



I'd expected it to be awful as I've never liked mixing truck components but it actually feels pretty good, just a stabler Ace pretty much.

I thought about doing this but with ace low baseplates and hollow Indy hangers.  Don’t wanna somehow ruin two sets of trucks though.  Not sure if getting ruined is even possible but in my mind I’d be worried about it after switching them back.

[intendedreceivers]

Friends, Please drop your suggestions and methods for stopping squeaky trucks. Some pivot cup wax did the trick but always seems to be temporary. Any long term solutions aside from getting riptides?

Small dab of thick synthetic grease on the pivot? I think my Royals came like that and have stayed pretty quiet and silky. Softer pivot cups (Ace, Royal, Riptide) also seem to help with noise as mentioned.

[logjammin]

I recently went out and bought some of that graphite lube powder that some people says works the longest, but I found it to be a total mess and it didn't last long at all. Best and least messy method I've found is clean the contact points with rubbing alcohol when I take apart my trucks, then I use a beeswax-based lip balm and rub it on both sides of bushings and then on the pivot nub of the hanger and mush it into the pivot cup and repeat, then set them back up. Makes turning better and more responsive, too. The squeak won't go away forever but it lasts long enough for the process to be tolerable.

[Xen]

Bucky and his Ti IKP

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[Noble Experiment]

Does anyone know why new trucks start out loose sometimes but the end up tightening up on their own? I noticed this happening with new Venture's, they'll start off as a nice medium feel but then after a bit of skating they get kinda tight out of nowhere and then you gotta go back and loosen em a half turn or two. Is it the pivot cup making it feel tighter as it gets broken in? Is it the bushings?

[logjammin]

Bushings firm up and get dirty, pivot cups start getting dirty and squeaky. Diminishes the initial fluid and looser feeling turn, I personally don't like it. I always keep contact points all lubed up so the turn stays lively and reboundy as possible.

[j....soy.....]

Yes, thunders too….another reason to run after markets….

[tuesday]

I recently went out and bought some of that graphite lube powder that some people says works the longest, but I found it to be a total mess and it didn't last long at all. Best and least messy method I've found is clean the contact points with rubbing alcohol when I take apart my trucks, then I use a beeswax-based lip balm and rub it on both sides of bushings and then on the pivot nub of the hanger and mush it into the pivot cup and repeat, then set them back up. Makes turning better and more responsive, too. The squeak won't go away forever but it lasts long enough for the process to be tolerable.

Had the exact same experience. Was a total mess. Never ever again. Solution: silicon grease.

[YeoWhattup]

Thunder 151 standards on Foy’s custom 8.5
56 conicals
1/8 riser pad
Ace low bushings
One thread of the kingpin showing on both trucks

[FGO925]

Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Don’t notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I don’t have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94a’s are actually slightly taller than the stock 90’s? Not sure.

[DeepSpace9mm]

Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Don’t notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I don’t have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94a’s are actually slightly taller than the stock 90’s? Not sure.

You could swap the nut out and see if the problem persists.

Maybe take the hanger off to check if the kingpin is loose or wobbly. I had a set of Aces with a nut that came loose constantly. Turns out the the kingpin was loose and wobbling around. I’m glad I figure it out when I did.

Or maybe it will just go away as the bushings break in.

[Willie]

Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times I’ve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What I’m having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like there’s a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. It’s like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. I’m hoping I can adjust to that but it’s not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

I’m going to try this for a bit but I’m thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.

[IpathCats]

Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times I’ve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What I’m having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like there’s a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. It’s like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. I’m hoping I can adjust to that but it’s not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

I’m going to try this for a bit but I’m thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.

Can relate to this. I would personally recommend the hard black Indy bushings and run them flush