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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11910 on: April 15, 2023, 09:38:10 AM »
Does anyone know why new trucks start out loose sometimes but the end up tightening up on their own? I noticed this happening with new Venture's, they'll start off as a nice medium feel but then after a bit of skating they get kinda tight out of nowhere and then you gotta go back and loosen em a half turn or two. Is it the pivot cup making it feel tighter as it gets broken in? Is it the bushings?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11911 on: April 15, 2023, 12:47:19 PM »
Bushings firm up and get dirty, pivot cups start getting dirty and squeaky. Diminishes the initial fluid and looser feeling turn, I personally don't like it. I always keep contact points all lubed up so the turn stays lively and reboundy as possible.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11912 on: April 15, 2023, 10:56:37 PM »
Yes, thunders tooÖ.another reason to run after marketsÖ.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11913 on: April 16, 2023, 03:33:23 AM »
I recently went out and bought some of that graphite lube powder that some people says works the longest, but I found it to be a total mess and it didn't last long at all. Best and least messy method I've found is clean the contact points with rubbing alcohol when I take apart my trucks, then I use a beeswax-based lip balm and rub it on both sides of bushings and then on the pivot nub of the hanger and mush it into the pivot cup and repeat, then set them back up. Makes turning better and more responsive, too. The squeak won't go away forever but it lasts long enough for the process to be tolerable.

Had the exact same experience. Was a total mess. Never ever again. Solution: silicon grease.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11914 on: April 21, 2023, 09:12:20 PM »
Thunder 151 standards on Foyís custom 8.5
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11915 on: April 22, 2023, 09:47:26 AM »
Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Donít notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I donít have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94aís are actually slightly taller than the stock 90ís? Not sure.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11916 on: April 22, 2023, 11:39:31 AM »
Blew out my pivot cups on my thunders, using the riptide replacement and they seem really nice. Donít notice too big of a difference but no more squeak, and they feel slightly more stable I think.

I also threw in some Thunder 94a bushings, and for some reason on my back truck the kingpin nut keeps coming loose. I donít have the trucks that loose, The nut sits flush with no threads visable. I need to compare but it honestly makes me think maybe the Thunder brand 94aís are actually slightly taller than the stock 90ís? Not sure.

You could swap the nut out and see if the problem persists.

Maybe take the hanger off to check if the kingpin is loose or wobbly. I had a set of Aces with a nut that came loose constantly. Turns out the the kingpin was loose and wobbling around. Iím glad I figure it out when I did.

Or maybe it will just go away as the bushings break in.


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« Reply #11917 on: May 21, 2023, 05:18:17 AM »
Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times Iíve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What Iím having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like thereís a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. Itís like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. Iím hoping I can adjust to that but itís not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

Iím going to try this for a bit but Iím thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11918 on: May 21, 2023, 05:46:40 AM »
Set up a board with 144 Indy Hollows. This is after roughly 2 decades on Venture 5.2s and a year on Thunder 149s.

It does feel like 8.25 might be a good compromise width for me at this point. 8.5 sometimes feels like too much and the few times Iíve gone back to 8.0 it feels tiny.

The pop is closer to the Thunders than the Ventures, effort wise (probably the main reason I wanted to try something besides Ventures was the all the ghost popping my lazy ass was doing and to try a lower ride).

What Iím having trouble with on the Indys is the wheelbase and feeling squirrelly. I bought them off a friend and he had the super soft white aftermarket bushings in them. I thought I liked loose trucks but that was too loose. I had some red Indy aftermarkets lying around which are better but it still feels like thereís a very small adjustment window between not turning and unstable. I almost got a speed wobble yesterday on a steep drop in which was terrifying.

I can feel the smaller wheelbase somehow. Itís like the hanger is in the wrong place when I get into and out of grinds on transition. Iím hoping I can adjust to that but itís not just my imagination - despite the deck having a quarter inch longer wheelbase than my 8.0, the axle to axle wheelbase is a quarter inch shorter on this versus the setup with Ventures.

Iím going to try this for a bit but Iím thinking already about trying Thunder 148s.

Can relate to this. I would personally recommend the hard black Indy bushings and run them flush

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11919 on: May 21, 2023, 06:31:49 AM »
Yeah, Iíd just tighten them up and over time loosen them.  They are more squirrelly, but not like an ace.  How long have you been skating them?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11920 on: May 21, 2023, 09:28:12 AM »
^Only a day so far and it was only transition. Iíll give it more time for sure. It didnít feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. Itís fine until itís ďoh shit.Ē
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11921 on: May 21, 2023, 07:11:23 PM »
^Only a day so far and it was only transition. Iíll give it more time for sure. It didnít feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. Itís fine until itís ďoh shit.Ē

Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (theyíre kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), theyíre actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on íem.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11922 on: May 21, 2023, 08:20:07 PM »
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^Only a day so far and it was only transition. Iíll give it more time for sure. It didnít feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. Itís fine until itís ďoh shit.Ē
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Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (theyíre kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), theyíre actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on íem.


Totally going to echo this, even try whatever was in your old Thunder or Venture trucks as they might work better.

The turn will be a little quicker on Indy than Venture and feel different to Thunder, not good or bad, just different, so it does take a bit to get used to.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11923 on: May 22, 2023, 01:48:15 AM »
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^Only a day so far and it was only transition. Iíll give it more time for sure. It didnít feel squirrelly until I was hauling ass though, which makes it hard to gauge/trust. Itís fine until itís ďoh shit.Ē
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Honestly, those red Indy aftermarkets are notoriously shitty. If you can find a set of the newer stock bushings (theyíre kind of a rich mandarin orange color, shiny finish, semi-translucent), theyíre actually really good. The other Indy aftermarkets and the DLX Bait & Tackle/Supercush bushings both seem to work well. Those red ones are just bad, though. Give something else a go before you you give up on íem.
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Totally going to echo this, even try whatever was in your old Thunder or Venture trucks as they might work better.

The turn will be a little quicker on Indy than Venture and feel different to Thunder, not good or bad, just different, so it does take a bit to get used to.

If I may be allowed to interject.
I have been the victim of wanting to swap this or that early on. But it takes some time to make a change and get used to it. While you are missing out on the orange bushings, run your current ones for a few days/sessions.

If itís really not working out, make a swap but only after a while. You canít change something and expect a solution immediately.

(He says as he has multiple set ups and approaches the same curb like heís golfing)
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11924 on: May 22, 2023, 03:01:25 AM »


If I may be allowed to interject.
I have been the victim of wanting to swap this or that early on. But it takes some time to make a change and get used to it. While you are missing out on the orange bushings, run your current ones for a few days/sessions.

If itís really not working out, make a swap but only after a while. You canít change something and expect a solution immediately.

(He says as he has multiple set ups and approaches the same curb like heís golfing)


That definitely rings true.

Some guys I skate with are instantly mad at their bushings / trucks, usually because they are different to how the board felt before and I always say you got to take your time and wear them in or get used to them without trying to go hard right from go, as they will most likely blow out or have more problems from that.

Funny that some people hate new bushings but happily put nicely worn in bushings. without complaints, even if it is only one session I have had on their bushings, just to roll around and not do much and then give them back and they are already so much "more normal" so it is worth just having a casual roll for a first session on new trucks / different bushings.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11925 on: May 22, 2023, 03:46:58 AM »
after recommending royal trucks to a friend of mine, he now skates royal baseplates with thunder titanium hangers :o He has definitely lost his mind.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11926 on: May 25, 2023, 05:43:14 AM »
Lunar Light III. made from magnesium & titanium. 242grams

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11927 on: January 19, 2024, 03:18:58 AM »
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.



Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.



Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.



I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11928 on: January 19, 2024, 06:48:40 AM »
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.



Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.



Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.



I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11929 on: January 19, 2024, 07:38:30 AM »
Insanity. Love it.

What's the deal with those Polster trucks? Are they a direct copy of Thunders?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11930 on: January 20, 2024, 03:57:34 AM »
Insanity. Love it.

What's the deal with those Polster trucks? Are they a direct copy of Thunders?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11931 on: January 20, 2024, 06:00:54 PM »
I want to hit axle on these Polsters, but the kingpin started to catch as the trucks lost material. I devised a shitty plan to avoid buying new trucks. Banged out the old kingpins with a hammer, and pounded in a set of ~5mm shorter Theeve Ti kingpins.


Then took some fully threaded non-serrated 3/8-24 flange nuts like these:
https://boltsandnuts.com/shop/3-8-24-grade-8-hex-flange-prevailing-torque-top-lock-nuts-phos-oil-297987

And sawed the nuts down to size with a handsaw in a bench vice.



Put some Vibra tite VC-3 (the best threadlock I've found for inverted setups) on the threads. Let dry for 30 mins, then threaded the nuts on.



I was worried a skate tool wouldn't engage with how low profile the "nut" is, but it works fine, surprisingly, even after the nut got all chewed up from grinding and bashing coping. A gray-haired British man would call this "bodge", but whatever fuck it, it works.



what's up with your mounting hardware nuts? look cool...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11932 on: January 21, 2024, 06:45:46 AM »
Looks like the axle is cracked in the little opening where you can see it? Also curious about those mounting nuts as well. Need that shit.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11934 on: January 21, 2024, 11:24:04 PM »

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11935 on: January 22, 2024, 01:21:23 AM »
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/3349.htm

Titanium flange nuts

Those look interesting, but wow, expensive. The nuts in the photo came from an aeronautics parts seller on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254802241036?hash=item3b5365a60c:g:DMQAAOSwbYFfz7al

I bought twelve Ti 10-32 7/8th bolts from them during covid for $12 and were kind enough to send the nuts free. The nuts are smaller than normal hardware, and the kick side hardware is recessed under the hanger like Venture so with a 1/4" bit extension it's really easy to swap out a deck with a drill. There's no nylock on the nuts, but fingernail polish works as a cheap/light thread locker. The hardware hasn't loosened despite skating pre-war cobbles and tiles almost every day. It was kind of a stupid project, but I enjoy tinkering.

The axle does look cracked, it's just some nasty gunk from the local free indoor though
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11936 on: January 22, 2024, 04:10:01 AM »
@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?
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« Reply #11937 on: January 22, 2024, 04:54:52 AM »
@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?

Array washers; the same thing longboarders used before they universally boycotted them for being too self-centering. If you scrape a Bones bushings with a knife, it makes the same sound as glass fibre-reinforced plastic. So it's really fucking hard, and immalleable. If you rip apart a Bones bushing apart, the hard plastic is in the same shape as an array washer.

So I feel like I can save a lot of money just using kooky longboarder array washers while running better/longer-lasting bushings than Bones, while getting the same self-centering feel. I'm not good at skating, but I skate almost every day, and replacing Bones bushings every month got old.
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« Reply #11938 on: January 22, 2024, 05:49:57 AM »
Lunar Light III. made from magnesium & titanium. 242grams

https://www.instagram.com/p/CsmFAADNr38/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

since 2hex is proud of their R&D they need to just go direct to consumer, or get a US distro. I don't see anyone paying the to white label these, or use this specific truck as a premium complete component. If truck nerds could put them through their paces, they become a niche truck, Like tensor was on pace to become until they fucked it all up.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11939 on: January 22, 2024, 06:40:14 AM »
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@PuffinMuffin  what kind of bushing washers are those?
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Array washers; the same thing longboarders used before they universally boycotted them for being too self-centering. If you scrape a Bones bushings with a knife, it makes the same sound as glass fibre-reinforced plastic. So it's really fucking hard, and immalleable. If you rip apart a Bones bushing apart, the hard plastic is in the same shape as an array washer.

So I feel like I can save a lot of money just using kooky longboarder array washers while running better/longer-lasting bushings than Bones, while getting the same self-centering feel. I'm not good at skating, but I skate almost every day, and replacing Bones bushings every month got old.
out of stock on their website
any leads on where to find em or something similar?
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