Independent trucks and racist ideology

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

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seems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor

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Cab has Jesus as an advisor

Jesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!

[gabbesucks]

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seems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor

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Cab has Jesus as an advisor

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Jesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!

[conqueso]

actually jesus reached out to christian hosoi at the dew tour and told him to bless cab with the power of god

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

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seems like a weird thing to do, then again Cab probably shouldn't be allowed on insta without a personal advisor

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Cab has Jesus as an advisor

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Jesus died for Cab’s sins, not mine!

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He hangs in drip delight upon his Indy
cross, above my body. Christ forgive. FORGIVE? I half-cab for you Jesu

[ok boomer]

I would love to find out that all these guys that switched to Ace, was because of Indy dropping the logo.

I don't think that is it at all, but it would make me laugh.

I actually preferred the baseplates without the logo (plus, preferred those older stages anyway!). And I don't really care about the gear, because I don't really wear "skate clothes" anymore regardless. I've got a couple of h00dies and 1 DLXSF tee.

[John Kreese]

I grew up skating Indys. At no time did I think they were a racist with their logos. Neither did the team riders who were of color. Everyone who was on the team was stoked because when Indy arrived on the scene, they were the best. Their tactics were very punk getting the riders they wanted. Pre-Rocco industry shake up, they broke all the rules. Keep in mind, the 80's were a crazy time period for skating and the punk scene. I grew up in small towns and experienced racism on a grand scale. The locals hated skaters. At no point did I get a pass from the racist twats because I wore a skateboarding shirt with an iron cross on it. If anything it was a target on my back because at the time, only skateboarders wore skate clothing. In this currant era the abuse I endured because I skated would be criminal. Now, by saying that I wouldn't change a thing. It made me the person I am today and it made me wear the clothing people hated with a since of pride. Fuck you, yes I skate and you hate me for it and I prefer it that way. All skate clothing, not just Independent shirts.

I never ever heard that Indy had a "racist ideology" really until the last few years. Not from any of the multicultural team riders, which that would be apparent if they did. I also get why turds that didn't skate started wearing the tees, that shit looked tough. Which seeing some tough guy with tribal sleeve tats rocking an Indy tee was very lame. In the end, our culture is cool and outsiders will always be attracted to "skate fashion" even if we hate it.

I personally being a fan of how the actual trucks ride and not being concerned about logos, am cool with them changing their logo. Times change, roll with it. All the old kooks who barely skate and are up in arms about their sacred cross being left in the past, get over it. Their "I used to skate" wardrobe will be fine. To wrap it up, never thought the logo was racist, got my ass kicked many times for wearing it by redneck goons, and am fine with the new logo. My Indys will turn and grind the same way they have since the mid 80s.

[Johnny Lawrence]

[RichardBarkley]

Lame

[Garbagewagon]

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Companies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.

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Thanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.

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I've been riding indy since my start as well. I truly just dont get whats so controversial for these old heads to move on from that logo though? I remember looking at their comments a few days ago and any discussion about the logo was met with a bunch of dorks saying "STOP BEING SENSITIVE"

u know shits wack as fuck when the main people arguing with you are 40 year old men who wear cargo shorts lol

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Right? Who gets all attached to something like a logo? I just want durable trucks that turn well. Replace it with a pink bunny for all I care I’ll still ride them.

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If it doesn't matter then why change it? It's not racist.

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Because I don’t give a shit if it’s a logo I think is silly but I do give a shit about looking like a Nazi. I never said it’s racist (it came out of a time of rampant racism and it reminds me of that era) nor did I say I’d boycott, I just said I’d prefer if they change it.

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Fair enough. People can just switch to ace too. Great trucks and they deserve our business.

Agreed. Ace are great trucks and Joey T is a solid Habibi. Give them your money. Inshallah.

[PatrickSkateman]

I’d like to try a pair of Aces but I don’t think I’ll ever skate a pair of trucks that feel as good as Indy hollows.

[Johnny Lawrence]

[manysnakes]

I’d like to try a pair of Aces but I don’t think I’ll ever skate a pair of trucks that feel as good as Indy hollows.

Not to nitpick, but I think he's an Armenian Christian, which would put him traditionally at odds with Arabs (not that I think he harbors any bigotry).

[billy_pilgrimspecker]

Got a sticker pack from Indy, tried a couple new ones on my Welcome deck and it still rolls good. Seems to get along fine with the older cross sticker from my pack of bolts.
Also, I always wear a traditional cross--not the Indy one, but the common lowercase-t-shaped cross that's in churches--because I'm super into capital punishment. It gets on my nerves that people see it and think I'm Christian--the cross obviously existed and had a meaning before they nailed Jesus to it. People should learn history and not assume my beliefs based on a symbol. I used to wear a noose shirt too, also in support of capital punishment, obviously, nothing to do with race, but people kept refusing to hear me out about ropes with knots existing as a tool for justice before the slave trade. It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair. I just like capital punishment, I swear.

[mushroom slice]

Got a sticker pack from Indy, tried a couple new ones on my Welcome deck and it still rolls good. Seems to get along fine with the older cross sticker from my pack of bolts.
Also, I always wear a traditional cross--not the Indy one, but the common lowercase-t-shaped cross that's in churches--because I'm super into capital punishment. It gets on my nerves that people see it and think I'm Christian--the cross obviously existed and had a meaning before they nailed Jesus to it. People should learn history and not assume my beliefs based on a symbol. I used to wear a noose shirt too, also in support of capital punishment, obviously, nothing to do with race, but people kept refusing to hear me out about ropes with knots existing as a tool for justice before the slave trade. It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair. I just like capital punishment, I swear.

Bro. I had to tap my blunt out after reading this.

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I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason

[billy_pilgrimspecker]

I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason

Not sure if you got the allegory, but read the next to last sentence if you took my post literally--I think the sarcasm is too on-the-surface to have to type "/s" like this was Reddit. I got the idea from an old Bill Hicks bit comparing the Christian cross to wearing a gold sniper rifle necklace because you're a fan of John F. Kennedy.

[fakiefs180]

actually jesus reached out to christian hosoi at the dew tour and told him to bless cab with the power of god

I thought the same. But it turned out, that was actually Adam Dyet asking Hosoi for some white powder.

[versacekid420]

i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

[Skeleton Pudding]

I feel like the Indy logo got morphed into something worse when non-skaters started adopting it. You started seeing a bunch of religious folks create a bunch of cheesy t-shirts and stickers ripping off the logo. I feel like the Indy cross is similar to Fred Perry shirts. A bunch of douchey people started adopting it and it turned into a symbol that they had not intended.

[billy_pilgrimspecker]

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I'm not Christian, i'm not racist, i just like to hang people for no valid reason

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Not sure if you got the allegory, but read the next to last sentence if you took my post literally--I think the sarcasm is too on-the-surface to have to type "/s" like this was Reddit. I got the idea from an old Bill Hicks bit comparing the Christian cross to wearing a gold sniper rifle necklace because you're a fan of John F. Kennedy.

I really don't want anyone to take my post literally so, because there are people in this world who actually are stupid enough to wear crosses because they are pro-execution,  I added "It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair" to make it clear (I thought) that I'm making fun of people who act like the general public doesn't see the Indy logo as racist even though that wasn't its creator's intention. I'm making fun of people who argue with closed-circuit-loop logic which ignores all context and outside perspective. I graduated HS in 2003 in rural Kentucky and a lot of us didn't wear the Indy cross back then because racist rednecks all thought it was some KKK shit. Reading this thread, it's pretty obvious that a lot of us have experience with people thinking the Indy cross is a white power symbol. I have the little cross logo sticker on the bottom of my deck because I know that nobody who sees the bottom of my skateboard will think it's a racist symbol, but I've never worn the Indy cross on a shirt because it's been obvious to me since I was a kid that most people (at least where I'm from) see it and think it's a white power symbol. It doesn't matter that they're technically incorrect because they're not familiar with that symbol in any other context (i.e. they have no idea what "skateboard trucks" are), so to wear it where I'm from is to be cool with being associated with the most horrible groups of people in our country. It's just obvious that if you're from the rural south you do not wear the Indy logo unless you don't mind being associated with the KKK, but I understand that it's not that way everywhere. Just please don't think I'm actually out here wearing crosses and nooses supporting the death penalty. 

[IpathCats]

Got a sticker pack from Indy, tried a couple new ones on my Welcome deck and it still rolls good. Seems to get along fine with the older cross sticker from my pack of bolts.
Also, I always wear a traditional cross--not the Indy one, but the common lowercase-t-shaped cross that's in churches--because I'm super into capital punishment. It gets on my nerves that people see it and think I'm Christian--the cross obviously existed and had a meaning before they nailed Jesus to it. People should learn history and not assume my beliefs based on a symbol. I used to wear a noose shirt too, also in support of capital punishment, obviously, nothing to do with race, but people kept refusing to hear me out about ropes with knots existing as a tool for justice before the slave trade. It's like historical and current cultural context doesn't respect my personal reasons for wearing those images and it's not fair. I just like capital punishment, I swear.

I'm on the side of "if you dont like it, just don't support it", I'm sure there is SOME credence to SOME of the symbolism and SOME of the riders being hateful, but I don't really believe indy is a racist org from the top down, there's just too many people involved that don't fit that story.

That being said, the quoted post was fucking hilarious.

[manysnakes]

i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

[Robby]

All the old guys that comment “Bring back the cross!” On every Indy insta post should get those new Krux trucks that say RACISM on the hangar. They probably don’t skate anyway so the RACISM will stay in tact and be more to the point than the cross was.

[versacekid420]

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i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

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Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”

[manysnakes]

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i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

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Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

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its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”

There's always someone who says "Go woke, go broke." Sure dude, you're gonna switch to Theeve because Indy stopped putting a logo on a t-shirt.

[lampshade]

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i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

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Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

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its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”

Man.  Those guys are really attached to a logo they have nothing to do with.  I guess good branding by Indy?   Trucks are trucks.  I've ridden Indy, Venture, and Thunder.  They are not that different.  It's like the guys on here who get all upset over a .1" difference in wheelbase.  Like Zorlac used to say, "Shut up and skate." 

I even have a set of Royals on my cruiser b/c Crail was selling the narrow ones for like $9.95 on some crazy clearance sale.  They are not that bad.

[versacekid420]

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i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

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Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

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its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”

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Man.  Those guys are really attached to a logo they have nothing to do with.  I guess good branding by Indy?   Trucks are trucks.  I've ridden Indy, Venture, and Thunder.  They are not that different.  It's like the guys on here who get all upset over a .1" difference in wheelbase.  Like Zorlac used to say, "Shut up and skate." 

I even have a set of Royals on my cruiser b/c Crail was selling the narrow ones for like $9.95 on some crazy clearance sale.  They are not that bad.

i despise royal but hey 9.95 for some trucks is hard to beat especially coming from a somewhat reputable and established company.

[work_lurker]

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i’m sure this already known, but the comments on any and every indy post is beyond hilarious

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Grown men are really, *really* upset that their favorite company has a different logo now

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its the best thing to do for a quick laugh. “the new logo sucks bring back the cross!” “no cross no purchase from me” “i don’t care if it’s a red blue green or rainbow, put a fuckin cross on it!!!!”

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Man.  Those guys are really attached to a logo they have nothing to do with.  I guess good branding by Indy?   Trucks are trucks.  I've ridden Indy, Venture, and Thunder.  They are not that different.  It's like the guys on here who get all upset over a .1" difference in wheelbase.  Like Zorlac used to say, "Shut up and skate." 

I even have a set of Royals on my cruiser b/c Crail was selling the narrow ones for like $9.95 on some crazy clearance sale.  They are not that bad.

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i despise royal but hey 9.95 for some trucks is hard to beat especially coming from a somewhat reputable and established company.

They aren’t that bad until your kingpin snaps in half just from pushing down the street.

[StillTryin]

those new Krux trucks that say RACISM on the hangar.

Felt pretty awkward googling that.

[Dwyck]

If youve ever paid for truck merch I worry for you