Independent Trucks Mid

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I want a mid indy with a normal kingpin. I basically just want stage 10s.

Venture hi. Sorta. Height and turning is similar in a non scientific/complete bullshit me just ‘remembering’ how stage 10s felt. May have to adjust for wheelbase. I’ve repeated this an obnoxious amount of times, but: if I’m skating regular sized for me board 7.75-8 I don’t need to make any special concessions for equipment. Once I start fucking with 8.5 trucks tho....indy 149s are less difficult for me to integrate than 5.8s (5.8s are for non wimps). A long confusing way for me to say that I find ventures to ‘run slightly larger’. If that makes sense. Which it probably won’t.

[CossRooper]

Echoing other folks, bought these mainly to swap with existing stuff.
Here's the results....
Stage XI hollow 144 hangers with new Indy inverted KP baseplates. (54mm tall + 364 grams)
New mid 144 hangers with forged hollow baseplates. (49mm tall + 356 grams)
Both sets with Bones hards on back + meds on front. All nuts flush/a hair past nylock.

Correct bushing hardness with the inverted baseplates is a MUST. Especially if swapping to krux, which has slightly fewer threads than the indy kingpin. The nut embedded in the new indy baseplate def. has more threads than a reg kingpin nut, causing any kingpin to stop turning if cranked down beyond a certain point. (not going to attempt any madness of tooling extra threads on a krux kingpin, for 8 grams of weight savings)

After several sessions at the park, LOVE the hollow hanger/inverted baseplate. Great KP clearance, good pop right off the bat, and that smooth Indy feel. I'm used to stage VIIs so the height + weight was not an issue.

Will be trying out the mid hanger/forged baseplate next. Thinking of setting them up on a 8.3-8.5 football shape w/ some small wheels for a little low + wide early 90s action.

keep rollin' slap pals....

This post got me so stoked. You guys are fucked in the head with all these slight changes. I love it.

[RapaciousFellator]

I want a mid indy with a normal kingpin. I basically just want stage 10s.

Does anyone know if you can just flip the inverted king pin on the mids so that the nut is on top?

[Fooj]

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I want a mid indy with a normal kingpin. I basically just want stage 10s.

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Does anyone know if you can just flip the inverted king pin on the mids so that the nut is on top?

the nut in the baseplate is pretty locked in there

[9053UR]

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I want a mid indy with a normal kingpin. I basically just want stage 10s.

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Does anyone know if you can just flip the inverted king pin on the mids so that the nut is on top?

Won't work, the nut isn't a standard one, it's like a sleeve. Indy has pics of an exploded diagram showing all the pieces.

[RapaciousFellator]

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I want a mid indy with a normal kingpin. I basically just want stage 10s.

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Does anyone know if you can just flip the inverted king pin on the mids so that the nut is on top?

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Won't work, the nut isn't a standard one, it's like a sleeve. Indy has pics of an exploded diagram showing all the pieces.

True, but I'm more concerned if the inverted end will fit in the baseplate, I can always use a nut from another pair of trucks.

[9053UR]

Refer to Xen's post on page 10, if you remove that sleeve, you'll be left with a gap to fill when if you want to run a regular kingpin. Not even worth the effort.

It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.


Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

[RapaciousFellator]

Refer to Xen's post on page 10, if you remove that sleeve, you'll be left with a gap to fill when if you want to run a regular kingpin. Not even worth the effort.

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It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.


Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

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Oh shit, I had no idea that it actually went all the way through the baseplate, thanks.

 I bought these trucks and skated them today and I find them unskateable. The kingpin clearance is pretty bad, and on top of that if the kingpin touches on any grind you're gonna stick hard. I can normally smith grind ledges and rails consistently especially with new trucks, I stuck almost on every attempt.

I think I'm gonna try and put a low kingpin in my old forged indy baseplates and try the mid hangers on that. I was pretty excited to have lower Indy's again, but am terribly disappointed with these.

[Fooj]

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Refer to Xen's post on page 10, if you remove that sleeve, you'll be left with a gap to fill when if you want to run a regular kingpin. Not even worth the effort.

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It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.


Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

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Oh shit, I had no idea that it actually went all the way through the baseplate, thanks.

 I bought these trucks and skated them today and I find them unskateable. The kingpin clearance is pretty bad, and on top of that if the kingpin touches on any grind you're gonna stick hard. I can normally smith grind ledges and rails consistently especially with new trucks, I stuck almost on every attempt.

I think I'm gonna try and put a low kingpin in my old forged indy baseplates and try the mid hangers on that. I was pretty excited to have lower Indy's again, but am terribly disappointed with these.

How did you like the height of these compared to the forged? I had forged Ti before but the 53.5 felt a bit tall, I liked the mids height but the kingpin sucks

[Deekay]

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Refer to Xen's post on page 10, if you remove that sleeve, you'll be left with a gap to fill when if you want to run a regular kingpin. Not even worth the effort.

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It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.


Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

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Oh shit, I had no idea that it actually went all the way through the baseplate, thanks.

 I bought these trucks and skated them today and I find them unskateable. The kingpin clearance is pretty bad, and on top of that if the kingpin touches on any grind you're gonna stick hard. I can normally smith grind ledges and rails consistently especially with new trucks, I stuck almost on every attempt.

I think I'm gonna try and put a low kingpin in my old forged indy baseplates and try the mid hangers on that. I was pretty excited to have lower Indy's again, but am terribly disappointed with these.

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How did you like the height of these compared to the forged? I had forged Ti before but the 53.5 felt a bit tall, I liked the mids height but the kingpin sucks

Do yourself a favor and get ahold of some stage 10's, then take a forged stage 11 baseplate and put the stage 10 hanger on there. Add Bones bushings and treat your feet to some good feelings. 51.5 height, nice and light with the hollow kingpin and a decent turning radius.

[RapaciousFellator]

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Refer to Xen's post on page 10, if you remove that sleeve, you'll be left with a gap to fill when if you want to run a regular kingpin. Not even worth the effort.

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It's a sleeve, just look at the top of the base plate; it appears that the nut is attached to this sleeve(? I have no way to tell and don't feel like banging it out and fucking up the truck); nut doesn't spin and it doesn't fall out when you dismantle it.


Good luck A) getting it out and B) getting it into another plate, not gonna happen. It's in there tight, doesn't fall out/zero wiggle. Got to admit it's nice to have a baseplate that works with no risk of the nut falling out (no clue how film does it)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=106832.msg3353649#msg3353649

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Oh shit, I had no idea that it actually went all the way through the baseplate, thanks.

 I bought these trucks and skated them today and I find them unskateable. The kingpin clearance is pretty bad, and on top of that if the kingpin touches on any grind you're gonna stick hard. I can normally smith grind ledges and rails consistently especially with new trucks, I stuck almost on every attempt.

I think I'm gonna try and put a low kingpin in my old forged indy baseplates and try the mid hangers on that. I was pretty excited to have lower Indy's again, but am terribly disappointed with these.

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How did you like the height of these compared to the forged? I had forged Ti before but the 53.5 felt a bit tall, I liked the mids height but the kingpin sucks

Forged titanium 149s might've been my favorite Indy's I have skated. However, my flip tricks have improved since switching to the mids, could be more to do with going from 149 to 144, but who knows.

[Xen]

Just rock the mid hanger on a forged plate. 51mm ish and lighter.

[backinaction]

Do yourself a favor and get ahold of some stage 10's, then take a forged stage 11 baseplate and put the stage 10 hanger on there. Add Bones bushings and treat your feet to some good feelings. 51.5 height, nice and light with the hollow kingpin and a decent turning radius.

Yesterday I picked up a $25 craigslist board with Stage 10 149s.  I need to try some other bushings because the turn wasn't great.  I messed around last night on these, some stage 7s and stage 11 ti with bones..   Like the turn of the stage 11s best.

I have stage 6s with Bones on my cruiser board.

[munchbox]

no wheelbase measurements? for shame slap, for shame

[Xen]

no wheelbase measurements? for shame slap, for shame

Hah, I didn't bother, I can tell you (and I think it's my big post on them) that side by side you can tell they are more forward/inward facing that forged, thereby tightening it up even further than usual.

[FrozenIndustries]

Anyone else spend any time with these? That Ron Whaley video made me curious.

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Anyone else spend any time with these? That Ron Whaley video made me curious.

Seconded.

[RapaciousFellator]

Anyone else spend any time with these? That Ron Whaley video made me curious.

What Ron Whaley video, can you link it?

[FrozenIndustries]

[jay_nev]

Just watched this AM. Doesn’t really peak my interest in the Indy mids but just my own set up/gear/wheel size/quick pop

[JugeL]

Skated them for few months, now moved on a bigger board. Had soft conical bushings on them.

They are good truck, but to me it didn't feel that much different than normal Indys. They do get that inverted kingpin rattle feel pretty easily but i like it. Didn't also notice weight being any different although i tend to like my setups feeling heavy anyway. That being said I would say that until the HF/Titanium version comes there isn't that much reason to get these over standards. They are cool truck, but ain't really that different

[Mbrimson88]

Might just be me, but it seems that anyone who wants that bigger board feel with more tech smaller wheel / not a high setup and is not concerned with weight is going to benefit more from these, especially in the 159 type range.

Pretty cool how many modifications there have been though.

[Diocletian]

So when mixing a standard hi Indy hanger with the MiD baseplate, when using a proper height bottom bushing, lets say a stock or aftermarket Indy, people are saying the Krux kingpin/Indy MiD kingpin doesn't have enough threads to hit the nylock at the end of the nut inside the baseplate? Only the Kreper kingpin is the solution? Just want to clarify because I am still curious about trying this set-up.

[Xen]

So when mixing a standard hi Indy hanger with the MiD baseplate, when using a proper height bottom bushing, lets say a stock or aftermarket Indy, people are saying the Krux kingpin/Indy MiD kingpin doesn't have enough threads to hit the nylock at the end of the nut inside the baseplate? Only the Kreper kingpin is the solution? Just want to clarify because I am still curious about trying this set-up.

Go to page one, you can see my post where I have a MID plate and Ti Hanger (same as a standard hanger); I had no issues getting the krux or indy pin to catch threads using stock bushings.

[Fifty8mm]

Switched over from a long venture low kick. These feel good so far.  The bushings are starting to feel good after the first session. Also the pivot cup came lubed (sweet). Im riding them on a
DOA flat 8.0
144 indy mids
Spitfire 51 mm classic, classic formula.

First session sucked. Wheel bite up and down. Busings felt too wobbly. My kickflips were gone. But what gave me hope was getting my fs flips good.

Today they felt amazing. Less wheelbite and got my kf back. Bushings break in so nicely.
Feels good.

Reminds me of two boards i had.
Rowley sprint devil stage seven indys
And cholate chico with stage 8
The turning and pop feel like it did back then.

[drinny]

This hex/allen kingpin with a washer under... barely looks any lower than a regular kingpin nut ground down?

Certainly looks inferior to the grind king/kreper, krux solutions despite the marketing

[CaderSk8r]

This hex/allen kingpin with a washer under... barely looks any lower than a regular kingpin nut ground down?

Certainly looks inferior to the grind king/kreper, krux solutions despite the marketing

Exactly 

[FrozenIndustries]

Switched over from a long venture low kick. These feel good so far.  The bushings are starting to feel good after the first session. Also the pivot cup came lubed (sweet). Im riding them on a
DOA flat 8.0
144 indy mids
Spitfire 51 mm classic, classic formula.

First session sucked. Wheel bite up and down. Busings felt too wobbly. My kickflips were gone. But what gave me hope was getting my fs flips good.

Today they felt amazing. Less wheelbite and got my kf back. Bushings break in so nicely.
Feels good.

Reminds me of two boards i had.
Rowley sprint devil stage seven indys
And cholate chico with stage 8
The turning and pop feel like it did back then.

Are you a crooked grinder? How is the pinch?

[Ok]

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Switched over from a long venture low kick. These feel good so far.  The bushings are starting to feel good after the first session. Also the pivot cup came lubed (sweet). Im riding them on a
DOA flat 8.0
144 indy mids
Spitfire 51 mm classic, classic formula.

First session sucked. Wheel bite up and down. Busings felt too wobbly. My kickflips were gone. But what gave me hope was getting my fs flips good.

Today they felt amazing. Less wheelbite and got my kf back. Bushings break in so nicely.
Feels good.

Reminds me of two boards i had.
Rowley sprint devil stage seven indys
And cholate chico with stage 8
The turning and pop feel like it did back then.

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Are you a crooked grinder? How is the pinch?

Been refreshing this page too much, this stage 7 and 8 talk got me real thirsty

[Fifty8mm]

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Switched over from a long venture low kick. These feel good so far.  The bushings are starting to feel good after the first session. Also the pivot cup came lubed (sweet). Im riding them on a
DOA flat 8.0
144 indy mids
Spitfire 51 mm classic, classic formula.

First session sucked. Wheel bite up and down. Busings felt too wobbly. My kickflips were gone. But what gave me hope was getting my fs flips good.

Today they felt amazing. Less wheelbite and got my kf back. Bushings break in so nicely.
Feels good.

Reminds me of two boards i had.
Rowley sprint devil stage seven indys
And cholate chico with stage 8
The turning and pop feel like it did back then.

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Are you a crooked grinder? How is the pinch?

They seem to pinch ok.
It's been raining here so i have not gone to a ledge but they pinch the parking block in my garage fine.

I'll try to skate a ledge tomorrow morning and report back.