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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7170 on: December 16, 2019, 02:04:38 PM »
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Ive always felt like Indys were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt the best. Couldnt put my finger on why Id like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indys on 14.25. I like wider boards, now. If Im doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14 wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8 and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

Ive tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. Its always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7171 on: December 16, 2019, 08:43:04 PM »

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Take it all with a grain of salt as they say ;) people like what they like!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7172 on: December 16, 2019, 10:24:03 PM »
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Ive always felt like Indys were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt the best. Couldnt put my finger on why Id like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indys on 14.25. I like wider boards, now. If Im doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14 wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8 and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

Ive tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. Its always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.
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What the fuck? The wheelbase of a deck is measured from bolt hole to bolt hole. No truck is going to subtract a wheelbase measurement.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7173 on: December 16, 2019, 11:19:51 PM »
Axel to axel is what we are nattering on about......

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7174 on: December 16, 2019, 11:48:49 PM »
Do you guys remove the washers on your trucks?
I dont have any in my ace to allow me to keep them very loose without having a too loose kingpin nut...
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7175 on: December 17, 2019, 12:53:50 AM »
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Ive always felt like Indys were the closest, most of the time, to a truck for everything, for me, but never felt the best. Couldnt put my finger on why Id like other trucks more, but then revert (damn it) back to Independents. The image, fans of the brand, marketing, all very rough. Hurtful even.

I think I like Indys on 14.25. I like wider boards, now. If Im doing this right, and I want to ride ventures, than I look for boards 14 wb and below? Skated ventures for years, of and on, but always smaller boards 8 and under.

Skating thunders, like them a lot actually, should probably just stick with, one of the main reasons for something different: bigger wheels.

Fingers of flat? Not exactly the correct thread, but is it that more fingers of flat are better with the thunder/venture style? And steeper boards better with Indy/ace?

Ive tried so many different combos. Never fully developed preferences or stuck with a consistent set up. Its always been fun to try different stuff. Agnostic

Cheers to those that have contributed mightily to this thread. Interesting to hear the choices people make and their context.
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Fingers of flat seems to be preference really, even if the Schmitt theory is more fingers = more finesse and fewer = more power (I can't say that more fingers = more finesse because I am loose/sloppy as fuck but from a personal pov, I can say that fewer fingers and a steeper tail definitely has more pop for me than a board with lots of flat).

What is the 'standard' for finesse, that's what I don't understand. Flip tricks in and out? Technical precision? If so that would mean shorter WB, say what you will, a shorter WB flips easier than a long one.

As for trucks, I don't feel trucks have much of an effect on this on their own per say, but DO in conjunction with wheelbase, e.g., let's say you like finesse (more fingers of flat), lots of boards with more fingers of flat seem to have shorter WBs on average (primitive is the best example), say 14" or 14.1x" so riding a thunder or venture pushes that out to 14.2x

My ghetto rule of thumb is:

8.25" is the standard WB, it's seemingly the most commonly used WB across all brands. Then take a roughly .25" +/- depending on brand, away from that:

14.25" WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.x" WB

14.25" WB + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.3x+ WB

14.3/4/5 WB + Indy/AVE/Theeve = 14.2x WB

14/14.1/14.125 + Thunder/Venture/Tensor = 14.2x WB

Over time I've managed to distill it down to preferring a 14.3x or 14.4x" vs a shrunken one (DLX and NHS make lots of 14.353/14.44/14.38 wheelbases) somewhere over 14.25, but under 14.5

Aaaaannnd, ollies...I can ollie high on anything but prefer short boards/tails with Thunders (or Tensor ATGs which feel like Thunders but taller) on a 14.25" WB :P

5'10" / 31" inseam if that fucking matters at all.
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What the fuck? The wheelbase of a deck is measured from bolt hole to bolt hole. No truck is going to subtract a wheelbase measurement.

For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7176 on: December 17, 2019, 01:56:26 AM »

For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔

As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7177 on: December 17, 2019, 04:42:04 AM »
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For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.

Yes, you are very much correct. Would be interesting to take it further though. Measuring the forces needed to lift the tail between various trucks and distances of the tail to the ground and things like that. Unfortunately I only have Aces, Ventures and Thunders and none of them are fresh anymore so if Id start testing this shit, itd not be very comprehensive. Problem with this kind of testing is that it should all be done with a standardized board between all trucks and thats not very easy unless the tests are all performed at the same location. Could also test forces needed to make the trucks flop to either side by however many degrees and how that affects the turning radius and what the max turning radii are. Shit like that.  :D If Id work at a skate shop with a big ass selection Id go all in on this shit!  :D

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7178 on: December 17, 2019, 01:16:03 PM »
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For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.

Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 /₁₆  Wheelbase and Im an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14 it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so Ive got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and Ive got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5 w/ a 14.5 WB @ 32 length) , ( the wknd board I stated above thats 8.5 w/ a 14  /₁₆ WB @ 32.75 length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38 w/ 14.38 WB @ 32x length) , and last and somewhat least as its fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475 w/ 14.25 WB @ 31.5 length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7179 on: December 17, 2019, 01:25:21 PM »
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For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 /₁₆  Wheelbase and Im an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14 it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so Ive got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and Ive got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5 w/ a 14.5 WB @ 32 length) , ( the wknd board I stated above thats 8.5 w/ a 14  /₁₆ WB @ 32.75 length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38 w/ 14.38 WB @ 32x length) , and last and somewhat least as its fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475 w/ 14.25 WB @ 31.5 length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

Im not the correct person to point this out, but I think your wheelbase is 14 3/16 + 2.5 for ace, wb + 3 for Indy. Your true wb that is, axle to axle. Im not sure where you are getting your sub 14 measurement from. To be clear, only trying to understand, not insult. Palelight (I think) did some solid work with different truck brands on 14.25 wheelbase. Few pages back.
What wb do you normally ride.
Are you currently on Indys?
Some short and steep boards are squirrelly for me.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7180 on: December 17, 2019, 01:42:57 PM »
It sounds complicated but it isn't  ???

Ventures push out the furthest, followed by Thunder/Tensor (I swear they feel just like Thunders but taller and with a longer baseplate).

Ace, Indy, Theeve, ML all tuck it in.
 
Find a board / truck combo you like/skated well on and measure the wheel base, then look at your fingers of flat.

Track how well certain combos worked with your skating...how were your tres, ollies and whatever?

For me DLX is easy to track:

The 8.18 with the 14.38" WB, I prefer Indys or ACE (shortening it up a bit), especially for that width. BTW, DLX, what happened to the 8.18" FULL? DlX anything 14.25 feels best to me with Thunders (or trucks that push out the WB a bit).

I'm skating the DLX 8.28"x31.65" with the 14.1" WB with Ventures or Tensors and if feels fine, kinda prefer it with Tensors tho even tho axle to axle on that board the Tensors/ventures were super close with Ventures just under 2mm longer.

It's got a short steep tail (it's a IV on the DLX press) and close to no fingers of flat (maybe one?) so the taller Tensors feel poppier to me. I forgot how great this shape was bit it never worked for me as each time I rode it with Indys as that was what I was into; never occurred to me to stretch out the WB back then with thunders; I just went oh, the short WB is the reason it sucks (Like those 8.37 eagles with the 14" WB).

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7181 on: December 17, 2019, 02:40:32 PM »
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For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 /₁₆  Wheelbase and Im an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14 it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so Ive got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and Ive got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5 w/ a 14.5 WB @ 32 length) , ( the wknd board I stated above thats 8.5 w/ a 14  /₁₆ WB @ 32.75 length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38 w/ 14.38 WB @ 32x length) , and last and somewhat least as its fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475 w/ 14.25 WB @ 31.5 length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

As Ok pointed out, your actual wb (axle to axle), would be, with that WKND board and Indys, 17 3/16 (Ill again plug my own post for a reference on how to get this measurement, https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3065039#msg3065039 )

As for your overall question, not easy to answer. Or at least not an easy formula. Think of it like this,



Those three points, and the space between the points, are going to dictate a lot (but not all, as theres still things like overall length, nose + truck weight etc.) about how your board feels when you pop.

Say you have a reliable setup you like, consider that your control, a standard DLX 8.5 and Indy 149s, you get bored and throw Thunders on there. You like the way they turn but nothing else works right. Your truck is now 3/16 to a 1/4 closer to the tip of the tail. The overall height is lower. All those points in the pic above are shifted. Youd have to alter, pretty radically, the other measurements to get back to what your Indys felt like on the same deck with Thunders, probably some combination of a). tail length (longer), b).  tail steepness (mellower) c). wheel size (smaller..maybe), d). foot placement (moved closer to the pocket rather than tip), or e). fingers of flat behind bolts (more). Of course, this probably now means your board is longer, or your wheels and overall height smaller/lower, or your back foot is super tucked in possibly causing you to feel unbalanced on other stuff than a straight ollie.
 
Unfortunately theres not going to be a specific formula to get there without taking all those things - wheel diameter, tail angle, tail length, fingers of flat, truck height, your personal foot placement on the tail - into account.

To me, not worth it to go through the mental hurricane of reconfiguring all of that for a deck that will be dusted soon enough. Fight the madness where/when possible. If you have those decks lying around, probably easier to just set them up one at a time and see if any combo clicks. Itll be a truer test than figuring it all out on paper.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7182 on: December 17, 2019, 02:56:58 PM »
This thread is getting disturbing.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7183 on: December 17, 2019, 03:01:39 PM »
This thread is getting disturbing.

I promise, my nerdy is trying to tamp down the crazy.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7184 on: December 17, 2019, 03:13:12 PM »
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Been on Thunder 149's forever and want to change it up and quit wheelbiting so much.  I ride 8.25 square shapes and can't decide between 44's and 5.6's.  I usually run medium (not too tight, not too loose) and skate flat and manual pads mostly.  Thoughts?
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Ventures are closer to Thunders in feeling and wheelbase. They're really hard to wheelbite too but so are Aces. Thunders maybe turn better than Ventures but if you're not running your Thunders loose I think Ventures turn pretty similar if you run them a tad looser. Ventures are quite stable in the middle while Aces are not. Aces turn very easily in the middle and have a really deep turn. Ventures turn fine but it's not a very deep turn. It all depends on what exactly you're looking for in trucks. But from reading your post I'd say Ventures. Ventures also have a magical pop that I cannot explain. It's very nice.

Thank you Roisto and others for the feedback.  Will be grabbing some Ventures ASAP.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7185 on: December 17, 2019, 05:11:30 PM »
Gosh I love this thread.

For me I found my perfect combinations by going back to not giving a fuck about any of it, buying what looked cool, settling on what felt the best, and then getting measurements.  Now I have two different set-ups that feel great.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7186 on: December 17, 2019, 05:40:00 PM »
It's all these things which lead me to believe someone setting up indys on a generator board is the correct answer and why so many people do this......

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7187 on: December 17, 2019, 06:35:06 PM »
How do you guys feel about the ti forged indys?

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« Reply #7188 on: December 17, 2019, 06:35:37 PM »
It's all these things which lead me to believe someone setting up indys on a generator board is the correct answer and why so many people do this......

Yup. Despite my trigonometry horseshit, it comes down to "x," which is, "how does it feel to you?" You can run all the specs and numbers you want but sometimes something clicks or feels right and no amount of math in that equation is going to solve for x.   

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7189 on: December 17, 2019, 06:49:17 PM »
i need a break from this thread dawg. knowledge doesnt feel like power anymore

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7190 on: December 17, 2019, 07:48:51 PM »
Every once in awhile this thread needs a reset and it goes something like this:

Find some trucks you are OK with, then:

Grind
Turn
Grind some more
They will get better with age
Keep Grinding
Keep turning
One more grind

Until the wheels fall off and then worry about what trucks you'll replace them with....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7191 on: December 17, 2019, 07:54:18 PM »
Apologies for killing the truck thread.

I did a shitty job of communicating my point. Which I guess is this, fighting specs and numbers looking to make an Ace feel like a Venture (or some other combo) will drive you to tears and leave your pockets emptier. Ride what feels right to you.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7192 on: December 17, 2019, 08:45:47 PM »
Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7193 on: December 17, 2019, 09:10:00 PM »
with bigger wheels if I was going for a tight tech truck I'd go with ventures. looking at the pair of 5.8s I have now I can see 56mm conical fulls going great. I have 52mm conical fulls on mine now and am nowhere close to getting wheelbase, board tips over.

or I'd just stick with indy/ace if you like the turny feel, these things don't feel super turny to me, and when I try I dont like it. I like them the way they are though, even though I usually like my trucks super loose. trying to get a little more tech because loose trucks doing my go-tos is getting kinda stale.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7194 on: December 17, 2019, 10:12:57 PM »
with bigger wheels if I was going for a tight tech truck I'd go with ventures. looking at the pair of 5.8s I have now I can see 56mm conical fulls going great. I have 52mm conical fulls on mine now and am nowhere close to getting wheelbase, board tips over.

or I'd just stick with indy/ace if you like the turny feel, these things don't feel super turny to me, and when I try I dont like it. I like them the way they are though, even though I usually like my trucks super loose. trying to get a little more tech because loose trucks doing my go-tos is getting kinda stale.

This is exactly how I feel. Ive never really spent much time doing tech stuff, I literally dont do anything except a kickflip and smith grind here or there. Been recovering for a few months from surgery and Ive been watching a wider range of videos getting me hyped on tech stuff even though Im fucking useless at it.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7195 on: December 18, 2019, 03:32:42 AM »
Ride what feels right to you.
Specially this and don't be scared to be of the big 3 wagon to find it. I did it and I'm super stoked.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7196 on: December 18, 2019, 08:09:11 AM »
Im riding Venture 5.2s with a 7.875 deck, but Im wanting to size down to 7.75 and go back to thunders. Would yall recommend 145s or 147s?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7197 on: December 18, 2019, 08:53:59 AM »
How do you guys feel about the ti forged indys?

I have some now Im pretty sure they are the China ones. But Im enjoying them so far. I cant say if they are worth the extra money or not. I skate 149s and was coming of thunders so I was trying get the same weight.  I can say Im skating the Indys looser and getting less wheelbite than I was with thunders.

Also palelight and everyone thats posting in depth nerdery. I honestly really appreciate and find it helpful. Dont stop being crazy scientists.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7198 on: December 18, 2019, 08:54:21 AM »
Crazy madness happening right now, have had a set of V-Lights 5.8 for a while now and haven't set them up in fear I'll hate them. Anyone have any experience skating Ventures in tranny? I'm injured otherwise I would just set them up and skate. I want to feel this magical pop others speak about but I skate 75% transition so I'm not sure its worth the switch from my Aces/Indys.

Or would I be better trying out Thunders? I skate 56mm and know they have wheelbite issues.

Pipe or bowls? Park 'transition' as in flow and different tranny sized obstacles?

At 75% transition Ventures are not what you are looking for. They can work but you will miss that indy/ace feeling.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7199 on: December 18, 2019, 08:56:33 AM »
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For this logic to work, youd need to have a standard to compare all others to. I feel like itd be much easier to compare actual wheelbases. This would require a tape measure however or knowledge of how much a truck adds to the wheelbase. Maybe someone should make a table. And a simple way to calculate what kind of a board you might like with Thunders if you normally ride Aces and so forth. Its not really that simple though as theres much more to how trucks perform than just wheelbase. 🤔
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As you said, a measurement table would help but at the end of the day the amount of variables that change are more than just axle to axle wb with a truck change. If you ride Indy's on 14.25 wb, you can achieve the same axle to axle wb with Aces on a 14.5 wb. But that's the only measurement that will line up. Your tail is still gonna hit earlier and with less effort on Aces, the nose will feel lighter (paradoxically despite Aces being heavier). The placement of your popping foot will have to change to achieve the same pop feel as your Indy's, but that could throw off your front foot placement in the process. Or how levelled out your tricks are. Or manuals... The variables are endless.

TLDR: You will absolutely drive yourself up the wall trying to get specs and feel to match up between different truck brands. I did for a while, not fun.
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Im literally going through this rn but the only reason is that I got fucked over by buying a weekend board with a 14 /₁₆  Wheelbase and Im an Indy guy so I found with the steep kicks and it sucking my wheelbase up to under 14 it makes it awfully hard to get used to or get most of my tricks back consistently or even acceptable my my own standards..so Ive got a pair of aces which are the same whe it comes to WB as indys pretty much, and Ive got a a couple different boards to choose from ( ZERO 8.5 w/ a 14.5 WB @ 32 length) , ( the wknd board I stated above thats 8.5 w/ a 14  /₁₆ WB @ 32.75 length) , ( Local shop [Granduer] board  8.38 w/ 14.38 WB @ 32x length) , and last and somewhat least as its fairly old compared to the others is a ( Baker 8.475 w/ 14.25 WB @ 31.5 length) my overall question is which of the following would match best with my new aces for a similar pop feel as indy?

ZERO 8.5 w/ a 14.5 WB @ 32 length