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« Reply #7560 on: January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7561 on: January 18, 2020, 05:39:10 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
I'd get 149s because 8.38" is the best deck size, whichever ones don't make the wheelbase bigger.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7562 on: January 18, 2020, 07:25:26 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7563 on: January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

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« Reply #7564 on: January 19, 2020, 07:59:45 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.

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« Reply #7565 on: January 19, 2020, 08:09:28 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

Had some Thunders, now on the Venture bandwagon. I think they pop pretty similar (probably because the wheelbase on the cast versions are really close), but the similarities end there for me. I cant trust Thunders, I ate shit pushing from wheelbite. They stay centered but as soon as you want to turn it's like the knob is on 10. I respect anyone who can make them work, but I just find Ventures way more stable throughout and the lack of wheelbite is nice, even it comes at the cost of slower turning.

TLDR: I think they'd work on similar setups if you're talking about wheelbase and steepness of a deck. Beyond that it's preference in how they turn/feel.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7566 on: January 19, 2020, 08:24:41 PM »
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.
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« Reply #7567 on: January 19, 2020, 08:27:57 PM »
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7568 on: January 19, 2020, 09:00:35 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.

Been in the Thunder camp for a few months now coming from Ventures (from way back when 7.5 was a normal board size), then Indy for a hot minute. It's been said a million times but it's all in the WB. Thunders pop the best for me by far; Indys made the nose too light and I couldn't control the pop when trying to hop up ledges. They are the most "standard" truck, a "plain white bread", "dick in the vagina" type of truck. I've recently got a pair of Venture in Hi and Lo, keen to try those out on my next setup.

I would like Thunder a whole lot more if they fixed the base plate positioning, which is what I hear the new Tensor Maglight ATGs have done while maintaining a similar WB and geometry.

Makes me wonder if Tensor suddenly had a spike in their Maglight sales thanks to us going on about them over the past few months.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7569 on: January 19, 2020, 09:18:53 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

Had some Thunders, now on the Venture bandwagon. I think they pop pretty similar (probably because the wheelbase on the cast versions are really close), but the similarities end there for me. I cant trust Thunders, I ate shit pushing from wheelbite. They stay centered but as soon as you want to turn it's like the knob is on 10. I respect anyone who can make them work, but I just find Ventures way more stable throughout and the lack of wheelbite is nice, even it comes at the cost of slower turning.

TLDR: I think they'd work on similar setups if you're talking about wheelbase and steepness of a deck. Beyond that it's preference in how they turn/feel.

yeah it really seems like its either you like one or the other. definitely gonna be hard to choose between the two. i like the pop, manual point, weight, and transition feel with thunders. the stability for ventures is in a tier by itself, but im still not used to everything else it has to offer. wish it wasnt so shit outside so i can really put them to the test

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« Reply #7570 on: January 19, 2020, 09:21:14 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.

Been in the Thunder camp for a few months now coming from Ventures (from way back when 7.5 was a normal board size), then Indy for a hot minute. It's been said a million times but it's all in the WB. Thunders pop the best for me by far; Indys made the nose too light and I couldn't control the pop when trying to hop up ledges. They are the most "standard" truck, a "plain white bread", "dick in the vagina" type of truck. I've recently got a pair of Venture in Hi and Lo, keen to try those out on my next setup.

I would like Thunder a whole lot more if they fixed the base plate positioning, which is what I hear the new Tensor Maglight ATGs have done while maintaining a similar WB and geometry.

Makes me wonder if Tensor suddenly had a spike in their Maglight sales thanks to us going on about them over the past few months.

im eyeing the 8.5 axle maglights for an 8.75 setup. the weight savings look really promising

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« Reply #7571 on: January 19, 2020, 09:42:41 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.

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« Reply #7572 on: January 20, 2020, 05:45:14 AM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.

I've enjoyed both but I always seem to come back to Thunder because I just have more fun on them despite the wheelbite. The one thing I get annoyed at with Ventures is they feel clunky on flip tricks for me whereas Thunders feel very nimble.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7573 on: January 20, 2020, 10:39:06 AM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(

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« Reply #7574 on: January 20, 2020, 11:06:43 AM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
I own both, definitely prefer venture over thunder. the turn feels kinda similar but ventures are taller and seem to turn a little deeper because of that. better kingpin clearance too. coming from Indys it was easier to adjust to ventures over thunders.

I've enjoyed both but I always seem to come back to Thunder because I just have more fun on them despite the wheelbite. The one thing I get annoyed at with Ventures is they feel clunky on flip tricks for me whereas Thunders feel very nimble.

Thunders are usually my default 'wtf should I ride' trucks. Even tho I don't enjoy them on tranny (wheelbite) and since I ride super loose (wheelbite) but I love the twitchy response and pop, they're also light and trim. I don't have any on hand anymore or would have switched to them after I picked up some ventures.

Ventures...well they just don't move fast enough for me when I want them to (again I ride loose) and I still get wheelbite :P

I agree that shifty from indy to venture is easier than indy to thunder. Truth be told, if you have a manual or ledge game, Ventures are your jam. That said: Westgate.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7575 on: January 20, 2020, 11:14:37 AM »
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« Reply #7576 on: January 20, 2020, 12:30:45 PM »
look at this Jacked up cruiser my sister was riding around lol
My best friend had this same board but in Gold. What a throwback lmao

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« Reply #7577 on: January 20, 2020, 04:29:39 PM »
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look at this Jacked up cruiser my sister was riding around lol
Gonna need pics of your sis now. Gotta put a face to that board  ;)
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« Reply #7578 on: January 20, 2020, 04:32:01 PM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?

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« Reply #7579 on: January 20, 2020, 04:42:51 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?


Idk about the odds of landing primo increasing but my take on axle/deck width and primos is..
Even widths, you might land primo and stick it. Sounds scary but it's not too bad.
Wider trucks than deck and it's gonna go dark side when you land primo. Not fun at speed.
Narrower would flop to the wheels from primo. Lil scary but you might slop it out and roll away.

Wider trucks for ledging is nice but I get distracted by those shiny axle nuts and just can't deal.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7580 on: January 20, 2020, 06:23:12 PM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun

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« Reply #7581 on: January 20, 2020, 06:53:29 PM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun

No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...

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« Reply #7582 on: January 20, 2020, 07:49:06 PM »
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look at this Jacked up cruiser my sister was riding around lol
Gonna need pics of your sis now. Gotta put a face to that board  ;)
Could you get her to pose with it for the bam thread?

maybe lol.

I think shes on tour rn.

Ill look for a recent pick.
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« Reply #7583 on: January 20, 2020, 08:17:18 PM »
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« Reply #7584 on: January 20, 2020, 10:04:29 PM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun

No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...
latest ones, with the texture. the pivot cups didn't even break in. they were really snug

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« Reply #7585 on: January 20, 2020, 10:17:22 PM »
2 months in and my front riptide pivot cup is dead >:(
Bummer. Makes me a lil worried about how long mine will last.
What trucks are you rocking?
Doing stuff like hours of frontside slappies daily?
ace. it may be the geometry that lends itself to this issue with any pivot cup
i just like to turn a lot. but yeah, slappies are fun

No surprise there really, trucks fault, not the cups.

What rev ACE? I thought the last one supposedly tweaked the pivot for this very reason.

Fuck, even Theeve got their shit correct a few revs in...
latest ones, with the texture. the pivot cups didn't even break in. they were really snug

Can't recall, what led to the pivot cups blowing out in the earlier models? Was it just shitty materials or something to do with the angle/depth?

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« Reply #7586 on: January 21, 2020, 03:30:27 PM »
finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.

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« Reply #7587 on: January 21, 2020, 03:37:38 PM »
finally got a dry day even though it was cold as fuck and got the itch to skate. recently got some bones bushings because I heard they don't freeze up too bad when it's cold. tried them in a pair of spent indy 144 I had lying around, turned great but felt like it made the pop suck, figured I'd fuck around and put a pair of venture 5.8s on my board and just skate them and slipped both axles. so fucking bummed, had heelflips dialed in and nollie back 180s nice and popped today too. made my shit skate like a Walmart board though it was so bad, happened last time I had them on my board but I thought it was just cold weather or something.

back to indy I guess, I'll give these aces one more shot. bummed on the ventures though, was really loving them, but not really sold on buying another pair.

bitter bushings if they still exists. They're Canadian so you know theyre good.

I dont know what to say about the axles. Venture is not known for slipping axles. Quite the opposite actually.

I remember we all stopped fucking with indy over slipping axles. The feather lite and the gk truck was the first i think to guarantee no axle bite.

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« Reply #7588 on: January 21, 2020, 03:47:59 PM »
Sent an email from the dlx website, skated indy forever and maybe had it only happen on only 1 or 2 pairs. every time I've jumped ship it's been a nightmare, but this is the first pair of trucks I've actually felt my skating improve a little bit so I'm a little torn, I'm really liking the geometry. skater or the gear kind of situation. Good to know it's not a brand trait though, I've never slipped both axles on a brand new pair of trucks so I was like damn what do. Love dlx but haven't had the best time with their trucks, just the wheels and boards, always loved the look of ventures and thunders though. 

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« Reply #7589 on: January 21, 2020, 06:07:05 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.
In case anyone was curious the skate gods decided for me, shop sold out of Ti 159's.
I got 149 Ti and 159 forged hollow.
$85 shipped. Did I get a good deal?

I would say 85 for two pairs of trucks with one being ti is pretty good