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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7500 on: January 16, 2020, 04:52:05 PM »
The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7501 on: January 16, 2020, 05:16:08 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7502 on: January 16, 2020, 05:29:08 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7503 on: January 16, 2020, 06:27:19 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7504 on: January 17, 2020, 04:45:00 AM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Girl chocolate, primitive
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April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7505 on: January 17, 2020, 07:41:34 AM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Business & Company
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Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
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I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7506 on: January 17, 2020, 08:37:44 AM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
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Business & Company
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Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
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I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
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adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list

thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7507 on: January 17, 2020, 10:04:59 AM »
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i know its not a great example but i do believe this was the first thunder TEAM low.

It was ok. Bad era
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7508 on: January 17, 2020, 11:28:24 AM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list

+Primitive (long tails tho)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7509 on: January 17, 2020, 12:44:13 PM »
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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking



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Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.
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I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.

Got the pivots and no more squeaky trucks. Also went for some krank barrels and short cones in 96a. They feel a lot firmer than 100a thunder bushings. They do deaden the turn but that just means it stops the wheelbite and let's me firm up the back truck nicely ( I'm too old and lazy for loose trucks!). I put a softer thunder cone up front and the board is turning just how i like it. I'd been on ventures with bones and this feels about as close as I'm gonna get with thunders. Bushing shape sure seems to make a lot of difference to how trucks feel.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7510 on: January 17, 2020, 03:28:35 PM »
Swapped the venture top for a bones med.

It solved all temperature issues.

I feel like bones should make just top bushings available.
I have found i like stock barrels with a cracked bones top
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7511 on: January 17, 2020, 04:36:00 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
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thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7512 on: January 17, 2020, 04:40:23 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
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thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
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Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb

Business & Company, Magenta, and Primitive all have 8.25" x 14"wb if you want BBS. They might not have every brand listed, but you can usually get a good idea of what brand offers what size through SPoT's site.
http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7513 on: January 17, 2020, 06:02:46 PM »
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The issue im having is the wheel base change is extreme. It looks like about half an inch. I feel it at the manny pad.

Who makes a 8.25 with a 14" wb
[close]
Business & Company
[close]
Girl chocolate, primitive
[close]
April
cheap Darkstar wood
Flip Berger?
Zero?
Polar -> 14 1/8"
FA -> 14.12"
[close]

I think aws has some sub 14.25 wheel bases and on BBS
[close]

adding evisen and blood wizard to the 8.25 w/ 14 wb list
[close]

thats nhs though right?

Im not fucking with them period.
[close]
Evisen is thru DSM, they make decks for NHS too. Wood might not use epoxy resin like Dwindle does
Blood Wizard Is BBS?
Was wrong on Zero. Checked their site and it says 14.25"
Santa Cruz has a 8.25" with 14.1875" wb
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Business & Company, Magenta, and Primitive all have 8.25" x 14"wb if you want BBS. They might not have every brand listed, but you can usually get a good idea of what brand offers what size through SPoT's site.
http://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7514 on: January 17, 2020, 06:38:43 PM »
Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7515 on: January 17, 2020, 06:40:51 PM »
Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb

Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7516 on: January 17, 2020, 09:06:50 PM »
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Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb
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Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.
Aah. Too bad. I think that's one of the easier companies for me to get locally.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7517 on: January 17, 2020, 09:30:46 PM »
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Yeah, thanks. I haven't looked at their site in a long time.
They list a Palace deck..
And Doomsayers 8.28"
What are Magenta's shapes like? Fuller noses?


https://socalskateshop.com/Skateboard-Decks.html
I've been using this site cuz you can filter by width and wb
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Nah, Magenta's are pretty traditionally shaped. Like a standard DLX board.
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Aah. Too bad. I think that's one of the easier companies for me to get locally.

They do a squared off 8.25 shape. It looks sort of like the Polar Arigato/P2 but I don't have any experience with that one. 
http://www.empire-leshop.com/skate-magenta-skateboard,us,4,Magenta_leo_valls_8_25.cfm

Anyway, I'll stop posting about this stuff here though, lest the truck thread get any more convoluted. 

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7518 on: January 17, 2020, 09:33:56 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7519 on: January 17, 2020, 09:46:36 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7520 on: January 17, 2020, 11:10:03 PM »
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...
I'm the same way, don't wanna hotrod, but I'm ok with a lil magic carpet ride.

I should have been more specific. I'm thinking of get 2 sets of trucks for 2 different setups.
And it's a pretty good deal so I wanna jump on it.
149's for a 8.5-8.6 popsicle, maybe use em on a 8.75 pop.
159's for a shaped +9", could also use on 8.75 pop.

Ti looks about 15g lighter for both sizes
Forged are ~12-14g lighter than cast
Ti -> forged -> cast is like a 1-2oz change to overall weight
Could do 2mm bigger wheels and not have the weight penalty?
I've really been overthinking this..

What's a complete weigh? Or a deck?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7521 on: January 18, 2020, 10:11:14 AM »
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I treat it like shoes. Get the axle to fit the board. If you're in between sizes, go to the next biggest available truck, i.e 8.3 = 149, 8.6 = 159. Never saw the appeal of over-wide trucks, but I'm also not hitting rails, so...
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I'm the same way, don't wanna hotrod, but I'm ok with a lil magic carpet ride.

I should have been more specific. I'm thinking of get 2 sets of trucks for 2 different setups.
And it's a pretty good deal so I wanna jump on it.
149's for a 8.5-8.6 popsicle, maybe use em on a 8.75 pop.
159's for a shaped +9", could also use on 8.75 pop.

Ti looks about 15g lighter for both sizes
Forged are ~12-14g lighter than cast
Ti -> forged -> cast is like a 1-2oz change to overall weight
Could do 2mm bigger wheels and not have the weight penalty?
I've really been overthinking this..

What's a complete weigh? Or a deck?

Good questions (weight of an average complete/deck)

I will ride fairly ‘extreme’ set ups: 9+ shaped, 159s etc and then 7.5 5.0 lo, 50mm....so you know, like a crazy person.
159 Indy’s ‘feel’ great. They aren’t as much fun for me to skate. It’s just big. I like to ollie etc.
I was doing the wide trucks thing, in relation to deck width, and I’m not sure it was all of that helpful. Felt cool, looked cool, skated wack. Got sore quicker too.
Sounds like you are locked in. It’s fun to have set up options. I spend more time on the equipment than the skating, which is really not cool.
I would skate 149s from 8.125-8.8 without too much trouble/same amount of trouble as skateboards always give me.
I did have some really awesome sessions on 8.25 159s but I think that was wheelbase related.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7522 on: January 18, 2020, 11:28:33 AM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.

I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7523 on: January 18, 2020, 05:39:10 PM »
Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
I'd get 149s because 8.38" is the best deck size, whichever ones don't make the wheelbase bigger.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7524 on: January 18, 2020, 07:25:26 PM »
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Bringing it back to trucks..

Here's a hypothetical.
If you wanted a set of 149's and 159's, and had a choice between Ti or hollows, which would you choose and why?
Hollow forged but I've got cast base plates too.

Ti 149's for easier flippetty-dippety on a 8.5"?
Hollow 159's cuz +9" will be heavier anyways? And maybe risers, larger wheels.
159's might get a 8.75" popsicle but 149's would work too.
I feel like I'm over thinking this.
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I prefer trucks tucked in/narrower than the board.

8.5" Deck I'd ride 8.25"/8.38" trucks

8.75" deck/8.5" trucks.

The bigger the board = lighter my truck and thinner wheel preference increases

i agree. Way less chance of landing primo ive found.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7525 on: January 19, 2020, 07:37:47 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7526 on: January 19, 2020, 07:59:45 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

They are quite similar, but still have small differences. I don't have both right now, but Thunders have a twitcher, and more responsive turn which also results in more wheelbite whereas Ventures turn is to me like a slightly slower Indy. Ventures also seem a little bit more stable when setting up for tricks in awkward ish positions. I don't like how the wheels slide on the side of the ledge for tail and noseslides on Thunders but its fine if the ledge is slick, and I prefer the kingpin clearance of ventures for smith grind variations. Some people seem to say Ventures are a bit harder and don't grind as nice as Thunders and Indys, it might be true. I believe Thunder is working on an inverted kingpin truck, no idea if and when it will go into production though.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7527 on: January 19, 2020, 08:09:28 PM »
if you own thunders and ventures, when do you prefer to setup one vs the other? i might be crazy but they seem pretty similar

Had some Thunders, now on the Venture bandwagon. I think they pop pretty similar (probably because the wheelbase on the cast versions are really close), but the similarities end there for me. I cant trust Thunders, I ate shit pushing from wheelbite. They stay centered but as soon as you want to turn it's like the knob is on 10. I respect anyone who can make them work, but I just find Ventures way more stable throughout and the lack of wheelbite is nice, even it comes at the cost of slower turning.

TLDR: I think they'd work on similar setups if you're talking about wheelbase and steepness of a deck. Beyond that it's preference in how they turn/feel.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7528 on: January 19, 2020, 08:24:41 PM »
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #7529 on: January 19, 2020, 08:27:57 PM »
Thunder is not what it was in the 90s.

Check your pm's dude. Messaged you the other day.