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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9150 on: October 12, 2020, 09:46:37 AM »
I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9151 on: October 12, 2020, 10:33:32 AM »
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I can't see Ace worrying about weight.....isn't it a deceptively low truck with a steep pop?
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Yeah, for a 52mm truck it doesn't act like it, that's part of the beauty of them (and Theeve, which are 52mm no matter what they say...side by side to my ACE and mindys they all line up.

I worry about weight =( tired old legs :P
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I did see somewhere that Indy is planning on releasing hollow and Ti mids next summer.

I had planned on getting mids when they came out, but picked up the Ti ones while waiting - and after about 5 sessions I massively sprained my foot. I’ve been out for 5 weeks and still have 1 to 3 to go.  Looks like i can wait until next summer. 

Aw man, that sucks...I'm just getting over a minor ankle tweak (still no clue what happened), I can cruise around and slappy but flicking anything is a no go...even pushing aggravates it...it would probably explode if I tried to ollie.

If you have TI indys you're not missing anything except 1.5mm of height difference, hardly noticeable...but the weight is...the new mids come in 10g heavier than the standards of the same size due to either a beefier hanger or the inverted pin assembly (which is pretty much meh).

I slapped the mid hanger onto my forged plates for a bit of weight reduction, dropping them down to 50.5mm (using ACE low bushings)...gonna switch it up and go back to 5.6 TI Ventures since the board I'm on has super mellow kicks....and put the Indys (with cast plate) on an Anti-Hero

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9152 on: October 12, 2020, 10:37:35 AM »
I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.

Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9154 on: October 12, 2020, 12:24:12 PM »
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I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.
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Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?

It turns the geo from Indy to Ace so you get a better turn than using Indy baseplates. I originally tried this a year or so ago with 159 hangers since Ace doesn't offer an 8.75" wide truck. Works great, just make sure you use Ace or Krux bottom bushings so the hanger sits properly.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9155 on: October 12, 2020, 01:05:58 PM »
I put my trucks on switch and now I'm wicked frickin bummed ked
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9156 on: October 12, 2020, 01:13:58 PM »
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I set up some 169's on Ace baseplates recently and while the turn was great, the whole set-up was just way too heavy for me. I don't think I can do big boat board set-ups anymore. Putting back on the 44 hangers that are ground down quite a bit and some 54mm wheels it feels really light and back to normal. I do miss having that huge amount of hanger to grind with though. 9"+ wide trucks I can tuck my knees and grind/slash both trucks on coping frontside and flow back into the transition all in one motion and it feels amazing. I get sketched out trying that on these skinny 44's.
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Just out of curiosity, what do the Ace baseplates do that Indy baseplates don’t? I’ve seen a few people mention this combo but I’ve never tried it so I don’t know the reasoning. Is it a height thing?
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It turns the geo from Indy to Ace so you get a better turn than using Indy baseplates. I originally tried this a year or so ago with 159 hangers since Ace doesn't offer an 8.75" wide truck. Works great, just make sure you use Ace or Krux bottom bushings so the hanger sits properly.

Interesting, thanks for the info! I did that with a pair of Krux (put them on Indy baseplates) to improve the turn, which worked well. Will have to try the Ace thing!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9157 on: October 12, 2020, 02:48:20 PM »
Hey pals, I am looking to try some riptide pivot cups. They are currently hard to find in Europe. Found only these on eBay..  But would rather support a local shop somewhere.
Does all riptide's fit in Indy's?

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Riptide-WFB-Pivot-Cups-96a-Boosted-Skateboards/283908180538?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20161006002618%26meid%3Dd63ad54e636a4898a1f87b147a44cdff%26pid%3D100694%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D26%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D273996731748%26itm%3D283908180538%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2386202%26algv%3DDefaultOrganic&_trksid=p2386202.c100694.m4598

Not sure if the two would cancel each other out.....but consider a longboard shop....they give a shit about pivot cups....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9158 on: October 13, 2020, 02:39:12 AM »

Not sure if the two would cancel each other out.....but consider a longboard shop....they give a shit about pivot cups....

I just found one pair at a old school skateshop which also sells copers and lappers and all that stuff I heard in fairytales from the 80s. Hyped!
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9159 on: October 13, 2020, 02:56:50 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9160 on: October 13, 2020, 04:18:48 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

When I ride Thunders I throw Venture bushings in. As long as you have the right duro you like it works pretty well.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9161 on: October 13, 2020, 04:29:01 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
i did for a little less than a year, the double conical style was too twitchy to me.

ace bottom/bones hard top with shaved plastic bit/flat washers
ace bottom/stock 90a top shaved/flat washers

these both worked for me and created a deadzone before the responsive turn hit. i was running bigger wheels than i should have (53s on a 51mm tall truck) but the wheelbite became a lot more manageable.

the "negative" is that the deadzone feel only fully lasts as long as it takes the ace bushing to break in. the only truck that stays stable after the bottom gets blown out is venture.

definitely would recommend trying it out in your thunders though
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9162 on: October 13, 2020, 05:18:14 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

I put Indy bushings in thunders for one of the nephews. They definitely did not turn at all

Maybe if you chop the top? Or have the original top it would work?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9163 on: October 13, 2020, 08:06:08 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

I‘ve been running a 95 doh doh barrel bottom on my 151s. Had to shave the edges down to get them to fit the stock bottom washer though. Works pretty well if you want to knock back the twitch a bit.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9164 on: October 13, 2020, 09:16:20 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?

Ace bottom and stock top for me. Feels gooood.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9165 on: October 13, 2020, 09:22:51 AM »
Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
Stock Thunder top, Krux barrel bushing on the bottom.

Slows down the twitchiness and wheelbite of Thunders and feels like a turnier Venture.

Perfect for medium-med/loose trucks, don’t do this if you like your trucks wobbly loose.

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« Reply #9166 on: October 13, 2020, 10:27:39 AM »
Ok did not expect so many detailed responses but thanks guys.

I asked because my shop only has conical + barrel ones in stock, didn't know how deep the truck bushing rabbit hole went down
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9167 on: October 13, 2020, 11:00:07 AM »
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Anyone ride Thunders with conical top, barrel bottom instead of the stock conical top and bottom?
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I put Indy bushings in thunders for one of the nephews. They definitely did not turn at all

Maybe if you chop the top? Or have the original top it would work?

I buy the aftermarket indy bushings and throw them in with the washers they come with.

Worked great and turn better, more stable too.

I've done it twice now.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9168 on: October 13, 2020, 11:08:36 AM »
Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9169 on: October 13, 2020, 11:21:42 AM »
Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.

If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.

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« Reply #9170 on: October 13, 2020, 11:28:36 AM »
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9171 on: October 13, 2020, 11:29:46 AM »
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
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Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite

Where did you hear this? Dp you know when they're coming out?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9172 on: October 13, 2020, 11:31:37 AM »
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Yo thunders new team mold has changed, 147,148,149 is now 50mm axle height

Only 151 remains 52mm and 161 is at 53mm.
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If so this changes everything. I've always thought 148's would be perfect at 147 height.
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Dam I sort of want to get 149 teams again even if I wheelbite
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Where did you hear this? Dp you know when they're coming out?


https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9173 on: October 13, 2020, 11:36:57 AM »
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such

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« Reply #9174 on: October 13, 2020, 11:42:10 AM »
Super curious about 161s...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9175 on: October 13, 2020, 12:08:20 PM »
they heard we want lower trucks
or its to get out of the ace vs mindy debate
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« Reply #9176 on: October 13, 2020, 12:19:36 PM »
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such

They aren't giving straight answers on their Instagram post for this. They claim the 50mm measurement was taken from the 147 but the 161 are still 52mm. The 148 and 149 are also 52mm but no word if they changed those. I don't trust the new chart they came out with because they've been inaccurate before.

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« Reply #9177 on: October 13, 2020, 12:29:45 PM »
My guess is that their production is highly inconsistent, high tolerances or just shitty QC, if any at all.
Hence why they dont provide a good answer.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9178 on: October 13, 2020, 01:04:39 PM »
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Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such
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They aren't giving straight answers on their Instagram post for this. They claim the 50mm measurement was taken from the 147 but the 161 are still 52mm. The 148 and 149 are also 52mm but no word if they changed those. I don't trust the new chart they came out with because they've been inaccurate before.
Its on their instagram too... Its odd that they would change such

And page 181 of this thread...

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3385915#msg3385915

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9179 on: October 13, 2020, 01:07:26 PM »
they heard we want lower trucks
or its to get out of the ace vs mindy debate
who wants lower trucks?
thunder used to make lows and no one bought them. thunders should all be 52mm at axle imo. shorter than an indy and venture high.