Truck set-ups

[Ok]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I know I’ve seen/heard rumors of an Indy stage 12. Not sure if I believe it’s happening any time so yet, but I do have one interesting thing I’ve noticed. I don’t know his last name, Terrill J. Who skates Indy and Nike sb flow and I think FA/Hockey flow too has been skating some mysterious trucks on his stories recently. I’ve noticed them on and off and since he’s skated these mystery trucks He’s been on Indy trips so he’s still definitely on Indy. I’ll attach some screenshots and his Instagram. He doesn’t have any hard posts of him with the trucks. Just something I found interesting. Been following him for a little bit. Dude seems like he’s got a good future in skating.

[close]

That person does rip.
The screenshots look like a cutdown 215. Which would be sick.

[close]

Clips kinda look like an older stage?

Pics def have a 215 look to them. It's odd Indy doesn't use the 101 or 215 hanger shape for regs...unless they just don't hold up to the rigors of today's street skating? All they need to do is trim that yoke down to be competitive on weight.

Agree clips look like an older indy

[Frank and Fred]

Whatever trucks he's on appear to be working very well.

[Ok]

Whatever trucks he's on appear to be working very well.

When that person is skating, they make it look very good. Very good.

[IpathCats]

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

[Paperclip20]

Expand Quote

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

[close]

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

[close]

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

[close]

I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

Paperclip just said it. Also Ishod I think.

[IpathCats]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

[close]

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

[close]

I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

[close]

Paperclip just said it. Also Ishod I think.

well color me surprised. I'm an ishod stan, not aware of him saying it though.

[tom]

I think it comes down to what you’re actually trying to slide across. I definitely slide my baseplates on noseslides and tailslides

[camel filters]

Untitled by
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.

[IpathCats]

Untitled by
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.

I do lots of nose/tail/blunt slides. its def a factor. I have marks on my thunder baseplates too. again, its not a deal breaker, and the tradeoffs are worth it to me, im skating well on these thunders lately. The trick i notice it MOST on is bluntslides on rails. all you hear are wheel sounds on thunder. on venture/ace/indy/lurp you could really get right on that baseplate and get some serious distance, and it sounded like a grind, all baseplate.

[camel filters]

Expand Quote

Untitled by
I literally never even thought about thunder baseplates inhibiting contact with the ledge. Here is mine and I don't really tail/nose slide rails except for the occasional blunt. Mostly ledges of all types, sharp corners, rounded, etc. Don't notice a difference. Skating aces now and also not noticing anything different with slides. I can also just be clueless. My most used wheels with these were 54mm conical fulls.

[close]

I do lots of nose/tail/blunt slides. its def a factor. I have marks on my thunder baseplates too. again, its not a deal breaker, and the tradeoffs are worth it to me, im skating well on these thunders lately. The trick i notice it MOST on is bluntslides on rails. all you hear are wheel sounds on thunder. on venture/ace/indy/lurp you could really get right on that baseplate and get some serious distance, and it sounded like a grind, all baseplate.

Ok yeah I think its my lack of awareness. I don't think they will do anything about it though. I would be down for the tweak but the investment vs new customers gained probably wouldn't be significant enough for dlx.

[Mbrimson88]

Sure some people want the Thunder baseplates extended, but the guys that ride them professionally seem to be happy with them just the way they are and if you change something they have been used to for a long time, then things get really weird all round.

From that perspective, I would say there is definitely not going to be a change in the length of the Thunder baseplates any time soon, especially if what had been rumour of Ishod testing some new versions but liking the regular ones more was true, but that was more speculation I think.


Everyone can choose which trucks they like to ride too, but I can understand some people like the feel of Thunder but want a longer baseplate.  Not much to really do about it other than weld some extra metal on if you are so keen.  That would be an interesting post on Fuckwithyourtrucks instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

* Just in case anyone hadn't seen it.

[IpathCats]

Everyone can choose which trucks they like to ride too, but I can understand some people like the feel of Thunder but want a longer baseplate.  Not much to really do about it other than weld some extra metal on if you are so keen.  That would be an interesting post on Fuckwithyourtrucks instagram account.

https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

* Just in case anyone hadn't seen it.

From this a new standard of madness will emerge

[juniormint]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I would argue some people don't think it needs to be "fixed", some people prefer to slide against the wheels on thunders as opposed to against the baseplate on other trucks. Might give them more control like a powerslide. i can't relate because I suck and can't slide very well on anything, but having recently switched to thunders there was a bit of a learning curve but now i'm pretty used to it. Changing hardware can be annoying though.

[close]

I've never heard anyone say they prefer it. Only that its manageable, which it is. It's not a deal breaker, I just dont understand why they wouldnt want to improve it. unless there is a silent thunder majority out there who loves waxing the side of ledges and having to try harder for nose/tail slides.

[close]

I prefer it honestly. It feels more consistent to me.  I just hate wheelbite otherwise I would probably stick with thunder.

Agreed. I don’t think it’s a problem, I find it advantageous.  Feels like it “locks in” better on slides for me.

[rocklobster]

What's the take on the Forged Mid Indys? Haven't ridden Indys in over 2 years because of the weight, but this could be interesting at 50.5mm. Not a fan of the IKP, they just never remain tight.

[Vintagebody]

It's not like Indy's remove any possibility of sticking. I just got my forged indy's, so gonne be fun to see if it cures my truck madness. It does seem like I get less hangups from smiths/feebles with Indy's, and they somewhat appear to have a lower kingpin then Thunder? The bushings are also way softer, so I actually have to tighten the kingpin nut, which I guess give some extra margin for error.

[j....soy.....]

I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no? 

[rocklobster]

I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no?

I used some super glue on the nut at the bottom of the baseplate, not sure if they got looser as I skated or were always that loose and I haven't ridden them in a while. I'll find out tomorrow when I get a full session in, if I have to tighten mid session I'll know its the nut getting loose.

[IpathCats]

Expand Quote

I was thinking the forged mids and a krux or that seat bolt set up.  I think you could just lock tite no?

[close]

I used some super glue on the nut at the bottom of the baseplate, not sure if they got looser as I skated or were always that loose and I haven't ridden them in a while. I'll find out tomorrow when I get a full session in, if I have to tighten mid session I'll know its the nut getting loose.

Even if the nut is glued in place, the extra space between the threads and the baseplate (as opposed to just a straight pressed kingpin) allows for some slight movement, over time this causes ikp trucks to loosen. Loctite will prevent this, it's used on cars where the weight/force/frequency of vibration is much higher. Loctite is designed to prevent things from vibrating loose. Blue will work for a while if you don't fuck with your trucks after applying, red will work basically indefinitely, but will be harder to remove, you'll need to dial your tightness in quickly before it hardens.

[Mbrimson88]

A set of the inverted kingpin Indys seemed to work well (and not loosen off at all) when I had the kingpin down as far into it as it would go, which was ok as the bushings were pretty much how I skated them anyway.

Other people I know seem to have had no end of trouble with the inverted kingpin assembly though, with the kingpin nut coming loose in the shaft, the kingpin not staying in place and one guy having to loosen off the kingpin to get the bushings right so it was almost out too far and sat up too high.

Thinking the right bushings with the kingpin down hard might be the answer, but it might be a struggle for some people to get it just right with the right bushings too.


I also tried (with success) two other options of kingpins, both with longer threads, so I could get it down lower and both stayed in place as well.  They were old kingpins from Krux and Silver trucks, which had way more threads down the kingpins than the current Indy or some other brands do, so I am thinking that might be the best option to find other inverted kingpins to use in them, for people who can't get the Indy ones down far enough.

[IpathCats]

A set of the inverted kingpin Indys seemed to work well (and not loosen off at all) when I had the kingpin down as far into it as it would go, which was ok as the bushings were pretty much how I skated them anyway.

Other people I know seem to have had no end of trouble with the inverted kingpin assembly though, with the kingpin nut coming loose in the shaft, the kingpin not staying in place and one guy having to loosen off the kingpin to get the bushings right so it was almost out too far and sat up too high.

Thinking the right bushings with the kingpin down hard might be the answer, but it might be a struggle for some people to get it just right with the right bushings too.


I also tried (with success) two other options of kingpins, both with longer threads, so I could get it down lower and both stayed in place as well.  They were old kingpins from Krux and Silver trucks, which had way more threads down the kingpins than the current Indy or some other brands do, so I am thinking that might be the best option to find other inverted kingpins to use in them, for people who can't get the Indy ones down far enough.

if you have it cranked as far as the threads will allow the non threaded part of the kingpin is what is making contact with the baseplate at that point so there would be far less wiggle room. makes sense.

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[goodatmeth]

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

[IpathCats]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

lol this guy sounds like madness incarnate. Good troll opportunity if he doesnt just block you.

[manysnakes]

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

It's a very minor thing, but he was making posts *all the time* about how skate shops would rather just sell you new trucks rather than replace a broken kingpin. I don't know if that's true where he is, maybe it is, but both of my local shops sells kingpins, pivots cups, etc. But also what do you expect shops to do? Buy a $500 arbor press and install it for you? Get real, it's a fucking retail operation, not a machine shop.

I've never see his "what do you do for a living" comments but that's rich. I'm looking at his page now and Jesus what a vain asshole.

[manysnakes]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?

[Ol Nick]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?

I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.

[PuffinMuffin]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?

[close]

I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.

But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.

[layzieyez]

I guess I know who to block. Don't want mine reposted either.

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

This dude is insane. He just blocked me for respectfully asking why he thinks that grinding off material waayyy above the pivot changes the stability of a truck in any way whatsoever (instead of just making it easier to bend the axle...). Basically all the comments were asking the same thing and he just couldn't give an answer that made any sense, but he's 100% sure he's right.

[close]

This one is baffling to me, and you see it a lot. Does no one know what a fulcrum is, how it works?

[close]

I’ve seen that post a few times and at least one person question it; my best guess has been that it’s in reference to how truck companies gradually filled out or better braced the hanger at the center and by reverting trucks to a less beefy profile, they behave more like older, less-stable trucks. I came up after trucks had started to beef up in the 80s so I don’t have much of a reference point for how trucks felt before then.
I disagree with the stance that it’s not acceptable to ask why, especially given that those are not reposts of other accounts but seemingly original content, but I can understand that maybe it’s difficult for him to explain and that trying it yourself might be necessary. Definitely a weird vibe from his posts and comments but it’s way more interesting to me than the typical generic “skate” accounts just reposting bangers with no credit and a sea of hashtags.

[close]

But that feeling came from changes in the geometry of the truck. Regardless of how beefy or dainty the hanger is, it has no effect on its turning characteristics. I feel #fuckwithyourtrucks conflates structural stability with turning stability. He also posted a photo of my trucks on his Instagram, and I'd rather he didn't.

It may have been me. I used to have one of your inverted kingpin mods bookmarked on my old account and may (or may not) have shared it in a moment of over-enthusiasm before I realized that guy kinda sucks.

So if I did do it, I'm sorry. and if I didn't, I'm still sorry.

Expand Quote

Expand Quote

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[close]

See this. Not a fan of this dudes vibe. Feel like I am getting cyberbullied when I look at his posts.

"NO COMMENTS OR ELSE!" b/w "TELL ME WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING AND HOW MUCH YOU MAKE IN THE COMMENTS, GO!!!"

[close]

It's a very minor thing, but he was making posts *all the time* about how skate shops would rather just sell you new trucks rather than replace a broken kingpin. I don't know if that's true where he is, maybe it is, but both of my local shops sells kingpins, pivots cups, etc. But also what do you expect shops to do? Buy a $500 arbor press and install it for you? Get real, it's a fucking retail operation, not a machine shop.

I've never see his "what do you do for a living" comments but that's rich. I'm looking at his page now and Jesus what a vain asshole.

Yeah, not in Insta these days but he seemed to love to talk about shops not doing their part by fixing gear. I was probably hyperbolic about the jobs thing, but I do remember him either being like "No comments, you guys are mean" or asking some weirdly personal shit.